There’s more to the NSA domestic spying case than the current storyline — that much is clear. The idea that the Bush Administration needed to bypass the courts to get wiretaps quickly makes no sense; under the current system, you can start eavesdropping, and get a warrant later. The notion that disclosing the surveillance would somehow tip off potential terrorists is laughable, too; Al Qaeda types know they’re being monitored.
That’s all assuming, of course, that the wiretaps in this case are the same as in any other. But maybe they’re not. Maybe there’s something different about this surveillance. It could be in its scope, as Laura suggests. But I’m guessing — and this is just a guess — that the real difference is in the technology of the wiretaps themselves.
Look at what former senator Bob Graham (D-Fla.), who was briefed on the eavesdropping program, told the Washington Post:
“I came out of the room with the full sense that we were dealing with a change in technology but not policy,” Graham said, with new opportunities to intercept overseas calls that passed through U.S. switches.
Or what New York Times editor Bill Keller had to say about the paper’s year-long delay in breaking the story:
In the course of subsequent reporting we satisfied ourselves that we could write about this program — withholding a number of technical details — in a way that would not expose any intelligence-gathering methods or capabilities that are not already on the public record.
So maybe the NSA wiretaps were using a new kind of capability; one that terror suspects might not have know about; one that might have even made the FISA court uncomfortable, somehow.
It’s a lot of mights and maybes, I know. But the current threads of this story are so thin, it’s time to start considering some alternatives.
This is definite abuse of government power, and the government will not easily give up the new powers. The government was not usually turned down in the past when it applied for warrants. I percieve this as a one-step-closer to blatant civil rights trampling.
Anyone can knock down a house of cards with a smart bomb, but it takes intelligence, finese and a steady hand to put it back together and make it work. ‘W’ is sadly lacking in all three departments.
If we can’t even get something that should be as scripted as post-hurricane relief correct, who can honestly believe that anything Cowboy Bush & his industry wonks are doing is something other than “flying by the seat of their pants”? Thank God for the professionals in the military that haven’t been replaced by a Bush lackey.
It’s not an accident we haven’t been hit in five years, he says? Unless, of course, you count the daily hits our troops take in Iraq.
Clearly, the administration doesn’t want us to count or acknowledge those men and women as casualties – except when there’s a vote to be had by doing so.
Semper Fi
Jeeze, get a grip and a clue!
I am a 70 year old very knowledgeable Vet I do have a clue. And since as I am an Atheist, I sure as hell am any Bush following neo-con Republican.
First, anyone who does not know our removal of Saddam and freeing the Iraqi
people was both FULLY JUSTIFED and a very necessary part of our war on terror are EITHER very ignorant of SUFFICENT facts OR they are just TOO
STUPID to be able to UNDERSTAND the FACTS!
The BAD GUYS WANT TO KILL YOU, YOUR LOVED ONES AND ANYONE ELSE WHO DOES NOT SUPPORT THEIR GOALS!
Hitler wrote a book and laid out his plans. MOST people where too clueless to pay attention and WWII resulted.
Well Children, the Bad Guys have also laid out plans and they pose more of a threat than Hitler ever did!
There are OVER 100,000,000 who are willing to joining their cause.
Al Quada’s LONG RANGE plans are to first, with the help of Iran (which they are geting a lot of) establish a base in Iraq, then take over Pakistan and their Atomic weapons. then the entire area, the whole hemisphere and then this hemisphere. After that is accomplished, they intend to install a world wide TALIBAN type of government.
And you are worried about our intelligence services intercepting some INTERNATIONAL phone calls? Get your heads out of your asses & start paying attention to what is going on in the REAL World!
Neil C. Reinhardt
“Airborne!”
Those who do not work in the intelligence field have no idea how badly the US crippled its own intelligence gathering after the 1970’s. Without a complete discussion of the policies that were put in effect then, it cannot be understood how we set ourselves up for a strike like 9/11. Suffice it to say that it is obvious that some people in this country bear monitoring, and the sooner we get to it the better. There are bad guys out there. Do you want them protected until they kill you and your family? Does it really bother you that the government might listen to you talk to gramma as it searches for those bad guys?
I can not for the life of me see how this has become such a big deal. Spying during War Time is a very common thing. However, I do see why it is so big. President Bush is in office now, and that is the only reason.
Numerous past Presidents allowed this type spying for security reasons without FISA approval.
Bill Clinton allowed it to be used in several instances and no one challenged his authority to do it. So, my take on this is President Bush is beginning to look good in Iraq with the Elections,Etc., and Democratic Liberals and anti war supporters are pulling all strings to make him look bad. No wander we have lost so many Soldiers in Iraq. I guess the Democratic Liberals and anti-war people will next require a private investigation.
We can never win if even our lawmakers are too dumb to see what is happening. If a Democrat was the President, you would never hear any of this.
Whomever leaked this information to the Press should be tried for treason. It has really hurt our efforts wherever we have Troops stationed.
I am intrigued by the lame defense and irrational logic employed by the “shrub”/cheney supporters in this latest gaffe by the pinhead in the pale house in Mayberry, R.F.D.! Obviously the pinhead grew up a spoiled rich brat who always got his way. In his youth Mommy and DaDa bought him all the G.I. Joe toys so he could perpetuate his playground/schoolyard BULLY behavior. That was bad enough but now Planet Earth is his playground! No wonder he wants to go to Mars. There will be nothing left of the “third rock from the Sun” when he gets through with his childish games.
I find it ironic that he dresses in military “drag” uniforms, proclaims “mission accomplished” and goes to the another military base dressed in the “next uniform of the moment”.
It is also disconcerting that when he could have shown some courage, he refused to volunteer to share the burden of defending the liberty, democracy and freedom he claims to love so much.
Mommy and DaDa bought him a pretty uniform, a commission and flight lessons in an aircraft which would never see combat. He then skipped out of his last year of the “service” he swore to complete. How about them apples? I, as well as many other youths who did NOT enjoy “influence and privilege” were doing OUR DUTY!!
He, Cheney, Scooter, Tom et al and many others in his crime-ridden Party, have been laughing at those of us for years who proudly served. They always had “other priorities”.
There’s something terribly wrong with the system of government in a country which promotes a “C student” to the highest office headquartered in Mayberry, R.F.D.
All the promises of “restoring honesty, decency, and morality” to leadership of the country has collapsed with a humungous thud. No wonder this government is the laughingstock of the planet. No wonder third-world peoples are willing to take us on with spears, bows and arrows, grenades and all sorts of home-made weapons.
Those magnificent warriors battling for the promises of our founding Fathers cannot be praised enough!!!! It’s too damn bad that they are risking, and sometimes losing life and limb to protect and preserve those miscreants in Mayberry. I think the wrong ones are in the combat areas. The residents of Mayberry should be “over there” and be separated like the chaff they are, from the wheat.
I am reminded of three character in “The Wizard of Oz” who were also lacking. The Tin-man had no brain, Straw-man had a heart deficiency, and the Cowardly Lion was just that, a coward without courage. Even though these were fictional characters, their “real-life” counterparts are found daily on the airwaves and front page of the electronic and print media broadcast and/or published from Mayberry, R.F.D.
I also find it ironic that, while our troops are fighting to bring liberty, democracy and freedom to another country we are losing the very same thing in this country. This is happening because a handful of pols want to destroy the very same form of government promised to us by our forebearers when they pledged their “lives, fortunes and sacred honors” to give future generations freedom from Kings, Princes and despots forever.
Allow me to remind those who are convinced that “old age and treachery will overcome youthful folly every time”. Old age only means one is closer to the embalming fluid cocktail which all must someday imbibe. Age does not necessarily impart wisdom–it’s just as easy to be considered “an old fool” as well as “a young whippersnapper, wise-ass! The difference is the “old fool” is likely to have proven to be of insufficient intellectual to capacity to “see the light”!
Good-bye and good luck, America. The darkness is upon us!! May God help and guide us all!
Las Vegas Devildog
Duh! don’t these idiots know that the enemy knows what we are doing? Bush and his “gang” seem to think they are stupid. They keep bragging about intersepting plots, but how many has been put out there? They are bideing their time, just like they did between the attacks on the trade towers. If anyone thinks they are safer because Bush has been “spying”, had better wake up and smell the coffee. My late Husband spent 20 years in the Navy defending his country, then died two years after he retired. He was a faithful sailor and loved his job. It really ticks me off to think how pious George Bush is about his so-called service. It also chaps me to see him put on a uniform. God Bless and help us all.
Kill Qoutient too Low?
Apparently we did not lose enough good souls on 9-11 for some. Unfortunately it will take another, bigger hit by terrorists to wake up most of this country. Best relocate away from potential targets and get ready to help those naive or risk taking unfortunates that fall prey to the next big hit.
It wasn’t a lack of intel that led to 911. It was a lack of resolve and willingness to risk one’s career, by politicians and Federal employees, in standing up for what they believed was true. The warnings were there, just ignored. The so called Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic legislation ever passed by an American Congress. This flap over domestic surveil by NSA is yet another example of the Bush admin trampling on the Constitution as they lead this country down the rosy path to neofascism.
The fact that the NSA has been collecting intel on people living in the U.S. only gives credence to the fact that terrorists have infiltrated our sieve-like borders for years. As Pogo is quoted saying, “I have seen the enemy and it is US!”.
Another famous quote says, “Those who willingly trade liberty for peace deserve neither”. And lastly, remember that “Freedom is NOT Free”. Stay Alert, Stay Low, Stay Alive!
A Veteran Patriot
YEAH, WELL FUSS ABOUT THE C STUDENT BUT EVERYONE MADE SURE WE GOT RID OF THE 2 RHODES SCHOLARS WE HAVE HAD…ESPECIALLY THE MILITARY. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE OIL FOR GOODNESS SAKE…WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT IT!?
When we give up a little freedom for security we end up with neither.
Good thing all that technology is being directed at “terrorist”, huh?
When the war on terror is “won”, picture whom that technology will be directed at…
Of course, anyone who opposes the policy of the appointed government can be considered a “terrorist”, right?
Too bad there’s no more second amendment to stand up to tyranny with.
You gave away your freedom for the promise of security America… shame!
Re “spying”…I think George Bush should get a medal and we should all be happy that we have NSA on our side. I think the sniping and leaks should stop…we are at war.
I would like to say that, like it or not, this is a problem beyond Democrat/Republican/Independent. The only way to solve it is tell these politicians that party politics and position jockeying is forbidden or they will lose their precious jobs altogether. When politicians give up all of our freedoms then we won’t have a need for politicians anyway.
Our freedoms are taken too lightly by gungho blind followers of people with more scary intentions. No freedom should be freely given up.
We already have countless laws on the books to deal with bad guys of all kinds and we already have a good system in place. Trouble is the people using it not the lack of it.
We have seen too little effort to hold the good old boys of either party or the CIA/FBI responsible for their failures of 9/11 and other episodes. None seem to have the honor required for their jobs. Fighting between parties on any level including the man on the street gives in to the divide and conquer tactics being used by terrorists and politicians alike.
Further, I am not a hate monger but I apologize to no one for being an American. I apolgize to no one for being non Muslim and if Muslims really want to live in peace then please turn in or take out your terrorists.
You all talk about monitoring those that kill, those that criple the US, those that do damage and break the law. YOu support the monitoring of everyone, innocent and guilty. Well have you ever stopped to think about what they are doing to prevent small criminal acts? For instance, a group of people talk on the phone every day for a week planning a bank robbery where they can get away with a few million. Does the NSA do anything to prevent this…..NO! What do the bank robbers do with the money they steal? Do they use it to fund terrorists? Feed their families? Or just have it to feel rich? What about the gang members that call each other to say where the next drive-by is? Are they stopped…..NO!
When you talk about everyone being monitored to stop those that will bring harm to the US and the people who live here, stop and think to yourself, “Are we being fully protected by having everyone monitored?” The answer to that question is obviously, “NO we are not.” Because if we were being fully protected against those that are terrorists, and terrorists in the Oath that you take when you join the military states, “both foreign AND DOMESTIC”, then we would have far lower crime rates than what we have now.
We lose more people here in the US to everyday killings that we fail to consider. We have lost more people this year to car accidents and gang-related killings than we have in Iraq and Desert Storm COMBINED!
When I took the military oath, I swore to uphold the constitution and defend our country and beliefs from terrorists both foreign and domestic. So obviously my look on this subject may be biased. BUT I do bring to light some good facts.
So I ask you, “Is the monitoring of everyone really helping to protect this country from both foreign and domestic terrorism?”
Every nation on earth has intelligence-gathering capability: humint, and machine observation. Machines do not analyze, they merely collect as they are designed to and programmed by human beings. Machines don’t always reliably separate the wheat from the chaff. Electronic eavesdropping requires trained personnel to analyze the data. Those analysts are bottom feeders. They are paid to render an accurate objective technical analysis, not make decisions on what to do with what has been discovered. At some point in the upper chain of command, the political will overtake the technical aspects of the data. Given the necessity for security; given that Congress couldn’t keep a secret unless it bought votes; given the necessity to move fast in anti-terror operations; given the chain of command and Congressional oversight; a vital piece of intelligence information in the American system has a steep and rocky path to travel before it can be put to use in a timely fashion.
What shall we say then? That any mistake made by a machine should trigger a mandate to shut the whole thing down, because we “fear” the man at the top? Far from triggering fear of the president, which is the sole intent of the media and its political arm the Democratic Party, a mistake made by a machine should cause us to be thankful that at least the technical end of the system is doing its job. The analysts are doing their job. And I would be willing to make a bet that what few “mistakes” are being made seldom leave the confines of the analysis center. More to the point: the entire process of vetting begins with the first supervisor in the chain of command. If that first supervisor saw something that had twigged the interest of an analyist, and that piece of information made its way to the point where it required a court order and/or Congressional oversight, and was perhaps leaked to the press, it must have been damned important, regardless of who had been observed.
The system works, and I for one would rather have it make a domestic mistake and let the system vet it out, than miss something vital related to nailing a terrorist operation. That was Carter’s conclusion; Reagan, Bush, and Clinton as well. Ole 43, though, we can’t let him have this toy ‘cause he’s a liar, a power-monger, and a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT. 9-11? Never heard of it.
Timothy May
In the future I would hope all media remembers the WWII slogan “Loose Lips Sink Ships” and check with the NSA or the White House before blowing the cover on an operation. That includes this medium!
The problem with spying internally is multifold.
The door is open to limit freedom of communications through intimidation and tracking.
The machine now does some of the evaluation.
The software is never going to be correct in its assessment because the biases applied are sometimes inherent in the algorithms, buried in the order of evaluation, the datasources, the bias to the information chosen vs the data ignored, and based upon a spider like process of relationships that are beyond comprehension to a single individual.
The power of such technology is not fully understood even by those implementing the software, and the few who do understand it are considered the “lunatic fringe nerds” and no one listens or trusts what they say.
Finally, the liberty that we have in the US is wonderful, and most people want the opportunity and ability to live in such a free society. However, not everyone wants the responsibility of following laws, of honoring their neighbor, of taking a risk when things are less than ideal, or taking a risk to get ahead.
Fewer still want to lead in that process, and our media has done a good job of demonizing any leadership that is counter to their “feel good” policies, even when those policies are dangerous to our freedom. Those who want absolute freedom over their communications using the first amendment, stand hardest on removing that same freedom from everyone else. That cannot work. If no one can communicate freely with them, then their first ammendment rights are gone.
I absolutely believe that we have terrorists among us. I also absolutely believe that tracking them via these intrusive methods in our own country is counter to our best interest. I also believe that not tracking them in this way carries some risk. People will die, and perhaps I will be one of them, should these means not be used.
However, the terrorist threat is not new, and it will never go away. China built the great walls to prevent their terrors thousands of years ago. It didn’t work. We are building the same kinds of walls, just new means, and they won’t work either.
To stop terrorists, you must remove the top tier that is advocating the terrorism, but not participating. We don’t need a new technology to do that. Just some humint inside the organizations, and we even know in many cases who these leaders are, who they are speaking to, and why those people are doing the acts.
Using the terrorism to spy on our own citizens is a smoke screen, but I don’t yet know why it is being put up. Only the higher ups in our “two party system” really know that. And you can bet they are not talking.
Regards,
Les H
I am confused with tyhe problem of spying in the US. The reason that the attacks on 9/11 tok place was because we had “softened” our tactics against terror suspects. We need to take a hard-line approach to the new threats. In my opinion, the only ones who suffer are terrorists. I’m sure that I’m naive to everything that takes place, but, if you have nothing to hide; why are you worried?
It is a simple question. Was the law, violated? Yes it was. Our Constitution, which everyone, including the President swore to protect and defend against all aggressors, was violated. Did he have cause? Probably. However, he could have followed the law without endangering any of his goals. He simply chose to ignore it. Unless he was given bad counsel from his subordinates. I’m sure we are all familiar with bad Intelligence being worse than none. I’ve worked with Officer’s I’ve considered exemplary. Specifically, General Michael Dugan. But without a good second in command to keep him from making bad political decisions, stating “If I want to hurt you, it would be at home, not out in the woods some place.” That’s what happens. At any rate, the violations, occurred if/when americans were surveilled by the NSA, It’s not allowed anywhere in the law, and by the failure to notify said americans when they were surveilled. The fines that can be imposed could be impressive. Especially the jail time. However, if they paid close attention, doubtful, they would have destroyed the files in accordance with the law and denied any americans were ever surveilled. God Bless America and Those Who Serve!
What we have going under Bush is FASCISM pure and simple. It’s what E.Gibbon talks about in his Decline and Fall of …… the desecration of the statue’s. For Patriot Act read Hitlers Enabling Act. Welcome to Fascism lite !!!!
George Orwell must be laughing himself silly in his grave, now. Has anyone noticed how like his novel (1984) our present situation is? This “War” on Terrorism is a condition manufactured by George Bush (or his advisors) in order to keep US citizens frightened and willing to endure just the sort of spying and infringements on our freedoms that have happened.
Frightened people, as seen in the last Presidential election, tend to reject change. This Presidentially declared War on Terrorism could continue literally forever as long as the US Government has no other vision for America than Defense and Fear.
By the way, Ken Burrows, I for one want to know
what my government is doing in my name and with my taxes. You think criminal acts by the White House are OK?
Kind of like the hearings held in the 1950`s when Senator Joe Macarthy thought everyone was a Communist.No one should have this type of power over the citizens of this country, but than again, thats why we have elections every 4 years for President and every 2 years for the rest of the bandits. This Country was founded by Bandits and Thieves so use your Vote to control them, if you don`t vote for change things will only spin out of control and the little man will pay. [VOTE FOR CHANGE]
Hogwash what President Bush did was under the authority and Powers as Commander and Chief of the United States military the Constitution say’s that he may use what he needs to safe guard the United States of America, the same action was taken by President Clinton Reagen and Carter.
After reading the comments I am impressed with how many peple writing comments no nothing about the Constitution nor the war time Powers of the president, for all of you Harvard Educated Bush Haters I give you F- in American Constitution
and American Law oh by the way for all you who talk about President Bush C average I know this is going to bust your bottle but Kerry had a lower average. pug
Please, all you people out there who think bush’s policies are facist, the constitution is being violated, and that we were maneuvered into war. Could it really be you don’t give a rat’s ass about all this? You hate Bush! and these issues will do for now. After all my Michael Moorer Kool-Aide drinking friends, your lefist hero Franklin D. Roosevelt manipulated America into a war we wanted no part of, tried to have the owner of the Chicago Tribune -Wrigley-tried for treason for printing items about the war he didn’t like, was the first president to bug Senators and Congressmen, Tried to illegally tamper with and then change the Supreme Court when they ruled against his policies, and finally the big ONE. He illegally interned Japanese-Americans and also confiscated their property. Then you have Truman Nuking Japan. Truman getting the US involved in Korea. Kennedy getting us involved in Vietnam. And finally Johnson misleading the American Public into believing US warships had been fired upon in the Gulf Of Tolkin ; thus the Gulf Of Tolkin Resolution, which lead to committment of 500,000 troops and America taking over the the fightin of the war. History doesn’t lie and most oftens repeat it’s self. So, please when you spew your half-baked ideas about how Bush is violating the Constitution, abusing his power, misleading the US into war, look up the facts first. Because,frankly, you look stupid and extremist to the rest of the nation.
Mr. Bush claims that he absolutely has the legal authority and constitutional authority to abrogate the rights of United States Citizens and order their surveillance.
This claim he justifies under an approval of congress that allowed him to prosecute the “war on terror” and his role as Commander and Chief. In the body of the document from which he derives his “authority” it vest in him only to take any and all necessary and appropriate actions. The terms necessary and appropriate are not absolute; to the contrary these terms were included for the precise reason to provide a check and balance against the potential abuse of power that Bush has engaged in.
I find it very troubling that Mr. Bush would use the term “absolutely” in any description that would entail any authority. He does not have any absolute authority legally or constitutionally ever period. To the contrary, no legal or constitutional power he may have is absolute, and absolute authority taken by any person in our country over our country is an act of tyranny, treason and contrary to the ideals and values of freedom.
There is a certain terror and dread one feels when the chief executive takes it upon himself to be the law … to deign solely on his own accord who is friend and enemy of the nation … and it is too easy for such singularly vested authority to decide who is foe to himself is also foe to the nation, which Mr. Bush has demonstrated a penchant to do.
Congress has no choice, if it is be a legitimate representative body of the people, but to stand up to tyranny no matter how veiled or disguised, or even the appearance of tyranny no matter how subtle or benevolent, from where ever it comes, not merely abroad, but also at home, even into and beyond the gates of the Whitehouse. What else could be meant by “Homeland Security”? This is in the true interest of National Security … which may be decidedly not in the best interest of the Bush administration. The interest of National Security and the interest of the Bush administration are not necessarily the same, making the mistake of assuming that they are is folly that may bring upon us the curse of all those that lack vigilance when it comes to their rights and freedoms; and that curse is tyranny.
To some, the constitution is “piece of paper” … to others more euphemistically the constitution is “living document” (meaning its ideals and values are not truths that are self-evident … that they are mutable and can and should be changed to meet the whim of a society) … well not for me, I swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution and the truths that are the frame of justice and freedom in our country are not bound to the whims of events, political culture, expediency or convenience.
Congress has no choice, if it is to honestly and diligently perform its duty to uphold and defend the constitution, but to at a minimum censure Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney from such activity or to impeach them for the ongoing abuse of power they seemed determined to defend and prosecute against our own citizens. It is not in the best of interest of our National Security to leave us (the citizens) insecure in our person, homes, lives or pursuits and to spy upon us. If even one citizen’s rights are not secure, none of our rights are secure. Mr. Bush cannot be sole arbitrator of which among us does and does not deserve rights. We should be careful of those that declare themselves our vanguard of freedom, and then tell us that we need to forswear that freedom to them so they can protect it. We have been conned enough already; don’t be conned even further.
This invasive abuse of power must be halted, before the legitimacy of our government deteriorates further.
To those Veterans as I am, and those soldiers currently in service … You are sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies Foriegn and Domestic and to follow the orders of our Commander and Chief … it is not supposed by this oath that the Commander would place us in the dubious position of choosing between our loyalty to the Constitution and our loyalty to him … it was supposed that the Commander and Chief would always be the person most trusted to uphold and defend the Constitution.
If you find that you are more loyal to Mr. Bush than the Constitution and the ideals of freedom, justice, and democracy that our nation was founded upon (then IMHO) you are a defacto fascist … if you are more loyal to a political party … than to the Constitution of the United States … you may well be a fascist … if you hold dear to your oath of defending and upholding the Constitution of the United States and will die if necessary to fulfil that oath then you are a true patriot and an American.
It is sad that such divisions should be forced upon us … even in our own ranks brothers and sisters … but know I for one will not let our country regardless of who is in charge of it Republican or Democrat devolve into what amounts to a Corporate fascist regime … I will uphold my Oath … and I hope you will honor yours.
I am Glad Bush is doing everything to look out for us, you morons who are bitching about this must have something to hide??
I could care less if the govt hears me talking dirty to my girlfriend, who gives a shit? If it makes us safer Im all for it. You meth cookers and pot heads might worry though, thats probabkly why your’re all bitching.
“Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.”
– Herman Goering
I have been reading all of the comments about the NSA and all the other things that the discenters have been spewing out and I feel that none of them really care about the security of this country thjey are afraid that they might be caught saying things that should not be said.\i think that the ones in highplaces that give this information to the news knowing it will fuel the fires of those that look for something to bitch about should be exposed a d fired from whatever job they have, to me it seems to be anti-american to expose the actions we take to secure this nation. Im a veteran and I was attached to intelligence during the Korean war, and I know that you do not broadcast to the enemy what you are doing to gather information. You may as well call them up and tell them you may be investigating them so dont say anything you dont want us to know. I think that a lot of the mess that is going on is caused by the fact that the democrats lost the elections. I was a democrat at one time, but in the last year I have lost all confidance in their ability to lead this country, or do anything elese except bitch about everything that is done by the party in power. I have alway felt we may not agree with the party in power, but, we dont run it down all over the world, as some of our dear leaders have done. Of all of the things being said lately I have heard very little said about supporting our troops, it seems that has been placed on the back burner so they can moan and grown about everything the goverment is doing. I feel just as strongly about our freedoms as the next person, but, I also know that we cant have total freedom and stay free. I disagree with all the talking and bashing that is going on, but, I will defend it till death for their right to do just that. I just wish they would think more about what they are saying and doing to our country while they practice their freedom.
Amen to Robert’s comment on 12/27/2005.
uhhhhhhhhh…………. NO!! you CANNOT tap my phone!! cuz…. YOU DONT KNOW MY NAME!! and YOU DONT KNOW WHERE I LIVE!! only, guess what, i guess it doesnt really matter if you do tap my phone cuz i have a cell phone!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! losers. i’ll just talk to all of the evil ppl on my cell phone!! lol. just kidding. please dont tap my phone. THANK YOU!!
sincerely,
me
phone tapping is evil and you really shouldnt do it cuz people need their privacy and i think that you will get alot of evil and mean comments on this here site. sorry buddy. so, dont tap our phones cuz its wrong, evil, mean, dumb, retarded and all those other words like that. SEE YA!
LOVE:
Bob
Electronic Harassment – Endangers Our Freedom, Our Families & Our Future
There is compelling evidence classified electronic and sonic weapons technology developed by the U.S. Government is now in the hands of hate groups and organized crime.
These covert weapons are being used secretly and silently to harass loyal Americans, strangle their businesses and gain control of their assets.
So long as this technology remains classified, responsible government agencies cannot protect American citizens, families and businesses from these threats.
See http://www.ElectronicElephants.com [1] for further details and lists of reputable resources and links describing the electronic weaponry threat and asking Congress to investigate and stop it.
How Did This Happen? – The U.S. Government does not build bombers or battleships. It contracts with outside private companies to procure products and programs. Most military research and development remains classified unless there are compelling reasons to make it public.
Some of this electronic harassment technology has leaked from the hands of these private contractors. The U.S. Government does not want to admit the threat exists or that they have lost control of the technology.
Why Is It So Hard To Detect? – Most bio-affective sonic and electro magnetic frequencies lie in the extremely low frequency range of 5 to 300 cycles per second which mimic and parallel the electronic functioning of the human nervous system.
Since there are relatively few legitimate commercial uses for these extremely low frequency transmissions, test equipment to detect and prove their use is not currently available in the market today for a reasonable price.
What Are The Effects Of These Weapons? – It is well known and well documented that extremely low frequency sonic and electromagnetic frequencies can disorient and disrupt human functioning, cause memory loss and confusion. Some frequencies can induce heart attack or stroke. Recent publicity about active denial technologies indicate they can cause pain, serious injury and death.
This classified, covert technology is now in the hands of organized crime and hate groups. The implications and impact on our freedom and future are horrifying.
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SAMSUNGS PHONES ?
Samsung d500 110usd
Samsung e600 80usd
Samsung e800 20usd
Samsung p510 100usd
Samsung sgh-d410 $170usd
Samsung sgh-e700 $100usd
Samsung sgh-e715 $110usd
Samsung sgh-p100 $100usd
Samsung sgh-p400 $95usd
Samsung sgh-p408 $130usd
Samsung sgh-p730 $100usd
Samsung sgh-s200 $90usd
Samsung sgh-s300 $70usd
Samsung sgh-s300m $100usd
Samsung sgh-s500 100usd
Samsung sgh-v200 110usd
Samsung sgh-x400 100usd
Samsung sgh-x430 100usd
Samsung sgh-x600 100usd
Samsung x450 100usd
Samsung SCH-i730 $100usd
Samsung SPH-i500 $100usd
Samsung p777 $100usd
Samsung SPH-i330 $115usd
Samsung SCH-A890 . $110usd
SONY ERICSSONS PHONESSony ericsson
Sony ericsson k500i 100usd
Sony Ericsson p800 160usd
Sony Ericsson p900 150usd
Sony Ericsson p910 100usd
Sony Ericsson t230 80usd
Sony Ericsson t310 80usd
Sony Ericsson t610 100usd
Sony Ericsson z1010 340usd
Sony Ericsson z600 100usd
Sony ericssson t630 100usd
Sony Ericsson s700i 100usd
Sony Ericsson s750i 150usd
Sony Ericsson W800i $165usd
NOKIAS PHONES?
Nokia n-gage 110usd
Nokia n-gage qd.140usd
Nokia 7710 120usd
Nokia 6680 180usd
Nokia 8800 160usd
Nokia 6680 110usd
Nokia 6681 180usd
Nokia n90 120usd
Nokia n91 150usd
Nokia n70 180usd
Nokia 6060 100usd
Nokia 6111 200usd
Nokia n93 $200usd
Nokia 3200 $90usd
Nokia 3300 $95usd
Nokia 3660 $95usd
Nokia 5100 $100usd
Nokia 5140 $100usd
Nokia 6100 $100usd
Nokia 6108 $100usd
Nokia 6220 $120usd
Nokia 6230 $120usd
Nokia 6230i $125usd
Nokia 6260 $120usd
Nokia 6270 $130usd
Nokia 6600 $125usd
Nokia 6630 $125usd
Nokia 6610 $115usd
Nokia 6610i $115sd
Nokia 6650 $120usd
Nokia 6670 smart phone $100usd
Nokia 6820 $110
Nokia 7200 $125usd
Nokia 7210 110usd
Nokia 3230 110usd
Nokia 7610 180usd
Nokia 9300 1800usd
Nokia 7250 70usd
Nokia 7250i 115usd
Nokia 7260 120usd
Nokia 7200 100usd
Nokia 7600i 100usd
Nokia 7610 152usd
Nokia 8910i 110usd
Nokia 8910i?c..110usd
Nokia 9210i communicator 120usd
Nokia 9500 communicator160usd
Nokia 9300 communicator..180usd
Nokia 6020 tri-bank edge gsm/gprs $224.99
Nokia 7610 tri-band gsm/gprs $324.99
Nokia 9500 tri-band pda gsm/gprs $724.99
Nokia 6822 gsm/gprs phone $274.99
MOTOROLA PHONES?
Motorola a388c 130usd
Motorola a760 .150usd
Motorola a768 120usd
Motorola a768i 150usd
Motorola a780 200usd
Motorola c550? 90usd
Motorola c650 100usd
Motorola e365 100usd
Motorola e398 100usd
Motorola i860 $100usd
Motorola Mpx 300 $100usd
Motorola Mpx 220 $140usd
Motorola V6 $180usd
Motorola e680 340usd
Motorola razor v3 100usd
Motorola v220 120usd
Motorola v303 100usd
Motorola v400 100usd
Motorola v500 100usd
Motorola v501 100usd
Motorola v525 100usd
Motorola v600 (oem) w/ Bluetooth headset 160usd
Motorola v600 oem 150usd
Motorola v690 120usd
Motorola v750 130usd
Motorola v80 150usd
Motorola v80 with Bluetooth 160usd
Motorola v872 1500usd
Motorola v878 130usd
Motorola v300 100usd
NEXTELS PHONE?
Nextel 6510TM– US$110
Nextel i730– US$85
Nextel i733– US$95
Nextel i736– US$100
Nextel i830– US$110
Nextel i860– US$120
Nextel i930– US$130
PDA’s PHONES?
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150 ========= $140
Asus MyPal A716 ================= $135
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350 ========= $140
Toshiba Pocket PC E405 ========== $100
Sony Clie PEG-TH55 ============== $120
Toshiba Pocket PC E800 ========== $150
PalmOne Zire 72================== $100
PalmOne Tungsten E ============== $70
PalmOne Tungsten C ============== $120
PalmOne Zire 31 ================= $50
palm Treo 650=====================$180
GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
play station 1……… $120
play station 2 ….$130
play station 3…..$150
x_box 360………$200
GARMIN 396……..$150
Game boy latext edition……$110
this games are brand new sealed in black company Box.
APPLE IPODS
Apple 20 GB iPod …………………….45 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……40 USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….150 USD
SIDEKICK
Sidekick II Cell Phone for 120usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 NOW with Service for 100usd
T-Mobile To Go Prepaid Sidekick II for 100usd
Sidekick II for T-Mobile with new service Plan 130usd
T-Mobile Sidekick II T-Mobile Replacement Phone for 110 usd
1996 Transfer Case: Sidekick 1996, and 1997 automatic….$100 usd
Sidekick Basic Kit…………………………………$100 usd
Sidekick II T-Mobile Cell Phone with Color Screen……..$100 usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 Danger Cell Phone………………..$100 usd
T-Mobile Sidekick II TMO to Go Prepaid Phone………….$100 usd
Mobile Sidekick II…………………………………$110 usd
ProTop 2 Piece Hardtop Suzuki Vitara / Chevy Tracker…..$100 usd
Protop 2 Piece Hardtop for Sidekick / Tracker ………..$100 usd
Original Extended Carbox Package 1989-1998……………$100 usd
Original Extended Carbox Sidekick/Tracker 2 &…………$100 usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 Danger Cell Phone………………..$100 usd
SIDEKICK 3 for just……………………………… $120 usd
AND MANY MORE OF CHOICES……………………………
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We are mobile phones wholesalers.We deals on all brands and models of mobile phones such as Nokia,Motorola,Samsung,Sony Ericsson,Sagem, Nextel,Sidekick II,Sprint,Ipods, Laptops, Mp3 players and many more at very cheap prices.We are using this medium to look for buyers of mobile phones.Do kindly reply back if you are interested and as you do you will be glad you do, you can reach us through our email addressaffordable_store@hotmail.com. thank’s and God bless.
WE ARE SELLING ALL KIND OF MOBILE PHONES/LAPTOPS/GAMES AND IPODS SUCH AS:
PLAY STATION 3 AT JUST….. $120USD
SONY PSP AT JUST …………….$100USD
MICROSOFT XBOX 360 AT JUST. $160USD
NOKIA 9500 AT JUST ……………..$195usd
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION………….$120usd
NOKIA 9300 AT JUST ……………..$160usd
NOKIA N90 AT JUST ………………$130usd
NOKIA N91 AT JUST ………………$160usd
NOKIA N92 AT JUST ………………$200usd
NOKIA N93 AT JUST ………………$240usd
SONY ERICSSON P800(UNLOCK)……….$180usd
SONY ERICSSON P900(UNLOCK)……….$200usd
SONY ERICSSON P980i(UNLOCK)………$200usd
SONYERICSSON P990i JUST FOR ……..$210USD
SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST ……..$140usd
SONY ERICSSON S700i AT JUST ……..$125usd
SONY ERICSSON Z800i AT JUST ……..$240usd
SONY ERICSSON Z700i AT JUST ……..$205usd
MOTOROLA V600…………………..$120usd
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR…………$140USD BLACK COLOR
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR…………$150USD SILVER COLOR
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR…………$160USD PINK COLOR
MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST ………..$120usd
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST ………..$160usd
NEXTEL i930 AT JUST …………….$110usd
NEXTEL i860 AT JUST …………….$100usd
SAMSUNG D500 AT JUST ……………$160usd
SAMSUNG D415 AT JUST…………….$120usd
SAMSUNG SGH D720 JUST FOR ……….$170USD
QTEK
Qtek s100 =$200
Qtek 9090 =$210
Qtek 8020 =$200
Qtek 8010 =$180
Qtek 2020i=$240
Qtek 2020 =$250
Qtek 8080 =$130
Qtek 8060 =$160
Qtek 1010 =$150
Qtek 7070 =$250
IPODS
Apple 6 GB ipod mini green
m9807ll/a”””””””””””””””””us$64.00
New apple 60 GB video ipod””””””””’us$100.00
New apple 30 GB video ipod””””””””’us$80.00
SIDE-KICK 2 AND 3
T-Mobile Sidekick II Cell Phone………………………….$100
Mobile Sidekick II……………………………………..$100
Mobile Sidekick III…………………………………….$150
Sidekick III Wood Look Skin & Screen Protector Brand New …..$160
Sidekick II Red Sparkle Skin/Screen Protector Cover New ……$170
Danger hiptop / T-Mobile Sidekick Universal FM Radio ………$190
BRAND NEW LAPTOPS
Dell Inspiron 6000 Laptop Computer……$300
Acer Aspire 3002LCi Laptop Computer…..$150
Toshiba Satellite R15-S822 Laptop Computer….$250
Toshiba Qosmio G15-AV501 Laptop Computer…$450
Dell Inspiron 1200 Laptop Computer…..$200
AVERATEC AV3220H1 Laptop Computer….$350
Apple PowerBook G4 Laptop Computer…..$400
Apple iBook M8861LL/A Laptop Computer…$150
Sony VAIO B100B Laptop Computer….$400
Sony VAIO S360 Laptop Computer…$500
Sony VAIO FS550 Laptop Computer…$300
Digital camera
Acer cs-5530 digital camera=$150
Canon ixus 700 digital camera= $200
Canon ixus 750 digital camera =$160
Canon ixus i zoom digital camera (jet black)=$210
Canon ixus i zoom digital camera (Sahara)=$200
Canon power shot s80 digital camera = $220
Casio exilim ex-s500 digital camera (orange, )= $230
Digital blue qx5 digital microscope= $170
Fuji film finepix f10 digital camera =$150
Nikon d2x digital camera (body only)=$140
Olympus fe-100 digital camera =$150
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We are mobile phones wholesalers.We deals on all brands and models of mobile phones such as Nokia,Motorola,Samsung,Sony Ericsson,Sagem, Nextel,Sidekick II,Sprint,Ipods, Laptops, Mp3 players and many more at very cheap prices.We are using this medium to look for buyers of mobile phones.Do kindly reply back if you are interested and as you do you will be glad you do, you can reach us through our email address:dolandltdplaza@yahoo.com.com or dolandltdplaza@myway.com thank’s and God bless.
Nokia 8800….$170
Nokia N70…..$150
Nokia N71…..$155
Nokia N72…..$160
Nokia N80…..$165
Nokia N91…..$170
Nokia N90…..$165
Nokia N92…..$190
Nokia N93…..$220
Nokia 1100….$55
Nokia 2100….$45
Nokia 2300….$60
Nokia 3100….$65
Nokia 3108….$60
Nokia 3200….$75
Nokia 3230….$85
Nokia 3300….$70
Nokia 3310….$30
Nokia 3315….$35
Nokia 3330….$60
Nokia 3350….$45
Nokia 3410….$45
Nokia 3510….$50
Nokia 3510i…$80
Nokia 3595….$45
Nokia 3610….$60
Nokia 3650….$130
Nokia 3660….$120
Nokia 5100….$80
Nokia 5140….$110
Nokia 5210….$70
Nokia 5510….$105
Nokia 5550….$70
Nokia 5170iR..$60
Nokia 6020….$110
Nokia 6670….$105
Nokia 6630….$130
Nokia 6100….$95
Nokia 6108….$100
Nokia 6220….$105
Nokia 6230….$110
Nokia 6260….$120
Nokia 6310….$90
Nokia 6310i…$100
Nokia 6500….$100
Nokia 6510….$60
Nokia 6600….$125
Nokia 6610….$100
Nokia 6630….$130
Nokia 6170….$120
Nokia 6650….$100
Nokia 6800….$105
Nokia 6820….$110
Nokia 7200….$140
Nokia 7230….$120
Nokia 7250….$120
Nokia 7250i…$130
Nokia 7260….$135
Nokia 7280….$155
Nokia 7600….$155
Nokia 7610….$150
Nokia 7650….$140
Nokia 8250….$100
Nokia 8310….$120
Nokia 8910 Titanium…$150
Nokia 8910 Black…$165
Nokia 8910i…$130
Nokia 8890….$125
Nokia 8850 Special Edition….$115
Nokia 8850 Gold Edition….$120
Nokia 8855…..$115
Nokia n95…….$400
Nokia n93…….$300
Nokia n90…….$150
Nokia 9210 Communicator….$140
Nokia 9210i Communicator……$145
Nokia 9500 (communicator)…$165
Nokia 7210 Turquoise…$100
Sony Ericsson Z1010…..$150
Sony Ericsson Z200……$100
Sony Ericsson Z600……$140
Sony Ericsson S700……$145
Sony Ericsson K500i…..$150
Sony Ericsson K700i…..$155
Sony Ericsson P800……$155
Sony Ericsson P900……$160
Sony Ericsson P910i…..$160
Sony Ericsson w800……$165
Sony Ericsson w800i…..$170
Sony Ericsson w900……$180
Sony Ericsson w900i…..$190
Motorola MPX300….$140
Motorola MPX 200 ..$125
Motorola RAZOR V3..$120
Motorola V3X…….$130
Motorola V290……$80
Motorola V750……$125
Motorola V3688+….$20
Motorola V8088…..$30
Motorola V525……$139
Motorola V300……$130
Motorola V400……$125
Motorola V500……$130
Motorola V600……$140
SIDEKICK 2…..$140
Nextel i730…$85
Nextel i733…$95
Nextel i736…$115
Nextel i860…$125
Nextel i930…$130
Qtek phones
Qtek s200…..$100
Qtek 9000…..$120
Qtek 8310 ….$170
Qtek 8300…..$180
Qtek 9100…..$185
Qtek 8100…..$195
Qtek s110…..$190
Qtek s100…..$180
Qtek 9090…..$185
Qtek 8020…..$195
Qtek 8010…..$160
Qtek 2020i….$200
Qtek 2020…..$190
Qtek 8080…..$120
Qtek 8060…..$130
Qtek 1010…..$120
Qtek 7070…..$210
Samsung D500……$160
Samsung D600……$170
samsung E700……$140
SAMSUNG E715……$140
SAMSUNG E 800…..$150
O2 XDA Atom……$220
BenQ-Siemens P51.$220
BenQ P50………$210
ETEN M600……..$240
ETEN G500……..$200
PDA’s
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150…$190
Asus MyPal A716…..$175
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350.$185
Toshiba Pocket PC E405.$120
Sony Clie PEG-TH55….$155
Toshiba Pocket PC E800.$220
PalmOne Zire 72…….$120
PalmOne Tungsten E….$90
PalmOne Tungsten C….$140
PalmOne Zire 31…….$65
palm Treo 650………$240
Vodafone 904t 3G flagship model is just…. $150
Vodafone 904SH…….$170
vodafone 905SH…… $180
Apple iPod nano Media Player 2GB — $100
Apple iPod nano Media Player 4GB — $150
Apple iPod nano Media Player 6GB — $200
LEXAR 2568 MB USB DRIVE AND MP3 PLAYER — US$35
iRiver H10red6gb H10 6gb Mp3 Player- Red — US$100
iRiver IFP-790T MP3 Player — US$39
Rio Cali 256MB 90260473 Cali MP3 Player (256 MB) –
$50
RCA RD2850 Lyra 20GB Audio Jukebox MP3 Player –
US$120
Samsung 5GB Micro HDD Jukebox MP3 Player with Color
Display — US$90
iRiver H10 20GB MP3 Player – Red — US$200 –
Rio Rio-CARBON6P 6GB MP3 Player with Voice Recorder –
US$139
Kinyo AMF-188 128MB 6-In-1 MP3 Player — US$110
Rio Chiba Urban 256mb MP3 Player — US $105
X BOX 360 PRICE LIST
Xbox 360 Core System — US$200usd –
Xbox 360 Platinum SystemUS$190usd
Xbox 360 Platinum Bundle Console — US$230usd.00
Intec G8600 Xbox 360 9.2 TFT Screen — US$93
PLASMA TELEVISION PRICE LIST
Sony fwd-50px1 plasma TV – $3,200
Sony kde-50xs955 plasma TV -$2,600
Samsung hp-r4252 plasma TV – $1,899
Samsung hp-r5052 plasma TV $2,,899
Samsung hp-p5581 plasma TV – $6,799
Toshiba 42dpc85 plasma tv-$1,300
Toshiba 42hpx95 plasma tv-$980:00
Toshiba 50hp95 plasma TV -$950:00
Toshiba 50hpx95 plasma tv-$1,200
NEC 42xm3 plasma TV -$1,600
NEC 42xr3 plasma TV -$1,300
NEC 50xm4 plasma TV -$1,350
NEC 50xr4 plasma TV -$1,100
NEC 61xm3 plasma TV -$1,300
NEC 61xr3plasma TV -$1,300
NEC 84vp4 plasma TV -$1,250
Pioneer pdp-424mv plasma TV -$1,800
Pioneer pdp-42a3hd plasma TV -$1,720
Pioneer pdp-434cmx plasma tv-$1,880
Pioneer pdp-43a5hd plasma tv-$1,800
Pioneer pdp-4360hd plasma TV -$1,700
Pioneer pdp-504cmx plasma tv-$1,800
Pioneer pdp-505cmx plasma TV -$1,670
Pioneer pdp-5060hd plasma tv-$1,890
Pioneer pdp-6100hd plasma TV -$1,950
Pioneer pdp-614mx plasma TV -$1,300
Dell Latitude D800 ($640.00,)
Dell Latitude D810 ($750.00,)
Dell Latitude X1 ($1200.00,)
Dell Latitude X300 ($750.00,)
Dell Precision ($750.00)
Dell XPS ($1280.00,)
Dell XPS 2 ($1250.00,)
Dell Inspiron 1000 ($850.00)
Dell Inspiron 1150 ($750.00)
Dell Inspiron 1200 ($800.00)
Dell Inspiron 1300 ($750.00)
Dell Inspiron 2200 ($750.00)
Dell Inspiron 5160 ($750.00)
Dell Inspiron 6000 ($1250.00)
Dell Inspiron 600M ($537.00)
Dell Inspiron 630m ($700.00)
Dell Inspiron 700M ($750.00)
Dell Inspiron 8600 ($500)
Dell Inspiron 9300 ($850,00)
Dell Inspiron 9400 ($750)
Dell Inspiron B120 ($750.00)
Dell Inspiron B130 ($450.00)
Dell Inspiron e1705 ($800.00
Dell Latitude 100L ($450,00)
Dell Latitude D400 ($830.00)
Dell Latitude D410 ($450)
Dell Latitude D505 ($500.)
Dell Latitude D6009(#500.00)
Dell Latitude D610 ($670.00)
Toshiba Satellite M55-S325–$750
Toshiba Portege M400——–$870
Toshiba Satellite M45-S165—$750
Toshiba Tecra S3-S411TD——$750
Toshiba Satellite M50-04N01N —$700
Toshiba Portege M200 Tablet PC—$750
Toshiba Satellite M50-0TJ01—–$750
Toshiba Satellite A105-S4001—-$700
Toshiba Satellite A105-S4014—$700
Toshiba Tecra M5-S433 – Laptop–$550
The D410 is very good if you want a portable laptop: it fits in normal bags and the battery life is good: better than two hours if you are only web surfing. The build quality is good, the plastic is strong.
The screen is a bit small so if I was going to use it for long I’d put it in the docking station and plug in a big monitor.
Performance-wise it is ok. I can play World of Warcraft on it but the frame rate is a bit sluggish, it’s not good for fighting.
Mine is over a year old, it is on it’s second dell d410 battery from http://www.batterygoshop.co.uk/dell/latitude-d410-series-battery.htm (the extended life one, good for five hours surfing or one hour warcraft). I would imagine that there are newer and better models out now.