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Wiretap Mystery: Spooks React

A few current and former signals intelligence guys have been checking in since this NSA domestic spying story broke. Their reactions range between midly creeped out and completely pissed off.

wiretap3ddvdcase-eng.gifAll of the sigint specialists emphasized repeatedly that keeping tabs on Americans is way beyond the bounds of what they ordinarily do -- no matter what the conspiracy crowd may think.

"It's drilled into you from minute one that you should not ever, ever, ever, under any fucking circumstances turn this massive apparatus on an American citizen," one source says. "You do a lot of weird shit. But at least you don't fuck with your own people."

Another, who's generally very pro-Administration, emphasized that the operation at least started with people that had Al-Qaeda connections -- with some mass-spying master list. As the Times, in its original story, noted:

The C.I.A. seized the terrorists' computers, cellphones and personal phone directories, said the officials familiar with the program. The N.S.A. surveillance was intended to exploit those numbers and addresses as quickly as possible, they said....In addition to eavesdropping on those numbers and reading e-mail messages to and from the Qaeda figures, the N.S.A. began monitoring others linked to them, creating an expanding chain. While most of the numbers and addresses were overseas, hundreds were in the United States, the officials said....Since 2002, the agency has been conducting some warrantless eavesdropping on people in the United States who are linked, even if indirectly, to suspected terrorists through the chain of phone numbers and e-mail addresses.

But this call chain could very well have grown out of control, the source admits. Suddenly, people ten and twelve degrees of separation away from Osama may have been targeted.

Deputy Director for National Intelligence Michael Hayden hinted at what might be going on in a press conference yesterday:

And here the key is not so much persistence as it is agility. It's a quicker trigger. It's a subtly softer trigger. And the intrusion into privacy -- the intrusion into privacy is significantly less. It's only international calls. The period of time in which we do this is, in most cases, far less than that which would be gained by getting a court order.

That points to a diferent type of technology at work, as I suggested the other day. Senator Jay Rockefeller, in a remarkable pair of handwritten letters (one kept for safe keeping, in case someone tried to say later on that he approved of the program) seems to back this point of view.

As I reflected on the meeting today, and the future we face, John Poindexter's TIA project sprung to mind, exacerbating my concern regarding the direction the Administration is moving with regard to security, technology, and surveillance.

TIA, of course, would be "Total Information Awareness," Darpa's effort to find potential enemies of the state in the data trails of ordinary folks. The program was cancelled a few years back. But a whole bunch of similar efforts continue throughout the government.

A former sigint type -- who also talked to Ryan, apparently -- suggests a different technological approach: the NSA "may have compromised a hardware manufacturer -- say Motorola or a satellite phone manufacturer, a telecom carrier or a satellite(s)."

I'll keep my ears open.

UPDATE 11:27 AM: There's a ton of surveillance-related news that has come out in the last day, including:

- FBI spied on PETA

- Bush personally asked the Times to kill its NSA story

- "Pentagon's Intelligence Authority Widens"

- DoD: gay law school groups a "credible" terror threat

UPDATE 12:22 PM: Laura points us to an absolute must-read post from Bill Arkin today:

In the spring of 2001, NSA began to change direction in its counter-terrorism targeting under Lt. Gen. Hayden: rather than analyzing the mass of what was collected hoping for the gem in the growing mass of available material, NSA began a methodical process of dissecting terrorist target communications practices and network to determine what to collect. This is commonly referred to at NSA as hunting rather than gathering. It was a procedure that was in its infancy on 9/11.

So what happened? The perceived shackles of domestic collection were removed, the gathering process began again to overwhelm the hunting process, new software, data-mining and link analysis methods were applied to isolate potential domestic targets.

UPDATE 2:07 PM: Check out Bruce Schneier for a quick history of domestic eavesdropping. Our old pal Hannibal from Ars Technica rounds out the review. And Garrance from around the block dives into the data mining laws.

Latest Comments

ross perot cincidently relocated his edge software database for the nro at the same time i surrendered my at&t edge software to the u.s.post master general. mine was of the laguna sort

Posted by: wink at September 2, 2006 4:34 AM


tally1, you are correct, we need to find out who are the bad guys, and we should pursue them and halt them.

What has happened here has nothing to do with that. If the government needs to monitor comm between some al qaida baddies and some American citizens, that's legitimate. That can be done, with a retroactive approval. There still is NO justification for warrantless surveillance.

It's sweet that you are confident that Bush won't be after our guns. What about his successor? What if it's President Kerry or President H Clinton (President Sharpton - LOL)who decides the executive can ignore laws and the Constitution? President Bush is establishing a precedent that in "wartime", his duties trump our rights. But that will convey to the next president. Surely the GWOT will still be happening then. And which of our rights goes next?

Posted by: Truly Bob at January 4, 2006 8:24 AM


I feel our government NSA collection agency is doing things right. I, as a retired military citizen, have no worries about my email being watched by the NSA ageants since I personally do not send any overseas eamil nor do I recieve any in the long run.
We need the NSA to watch our backs and discover who in the USA are connected to Al Queada. Yes, I approval of President Bush's action to go ahead and get the job done.
No, I am not worried that next he will be checking for our guns unless we are tied to the Al Queada forces.

Posted by: tally1 at January 3, 2006 2:54 PM


This issue is not about the noble motives of the administration nor the integrity of the dedicated civil servants performing actual data collection. It isn't about the allocation of resources. It isn't even about the potential abuse of the accumulated information.

It is about the president ignoring the laws and Constitution of the United States. Or if that's too inflammatory for you, howsabout those good old "checks and balances" we were told about in civics class?

The (act like a) Patriot Act* modified FISA according to the president's wishes. So please explain to me how the FISA is now so unduly restrictive? Do you really believe that 3 days is too soon to justify (after the fact) eavesdropping? The FISA court has disapproved fewer than 10 applications, out of over 15,000. Is it really that hard to get approval? So why skip it? Because there is a 1/1500 chance of rejection/modification? PUH-lease.

So for the future, when Bush decides that the GWOT is helped by registering every gun in the country, and every home should be searched for guns, you support that? You have nothing to hide, so that's OK, right?

Likewise if he decides one gun per household is sufficient for self defense, you will happily turn in all your "extras", right? Because, really, what do you need them for? You aren't some kind of revolutionary, are you? How many can you use at once, anyway? And why do you need more than, say, a dozen bullets? So turn in all your guns except that single one you'll use for self defense. If you are needed for the militia, your other weapons could be returned to you.

And when Bush, or maybe his successor, decides that there needs to be a national curfew, you'll skip nighttime activities too, correct?

Of course, the president needs to be able to focus for very extended periods of time, sometimes days on end. So Bush should be allowed the purest Columbian cocaine, because this is a different kind of war.

So how many volunteers here for the Freedom Camps, where your every action is monitored, all your possesions are GI, and you can rest assured that you are finally safe from all those bad people out there?


*Ironically, written mostly under Bush's predecessor, whatever that guy's name was.

Posted by: Truly Bob at December 28, 2005 1:49 PM


The interesting thing in reading your commnents is your sincerity. However, if you are low on the Totem pole, is it not accurate to say that the misconduct of the higher ones will most likely not be punished, and those at the lower end become fall guys ( or girls) when the misconduct is found out? Is that not the general pattern of governments ( US government included)?Truth be told Bush and his cabal have embarked on a course of lawlessness - lie to the public then invade Iraq contrary to the UN Charter - give a green light to torture then feign shock and horror when the torturers are found out - illegally spy on US citizens then try to justify the misconduct on national security grounds. Albeit you may have lawfully been doing your job - that it not the problem - it is the illegal bandits who are ruling the US under teh Bush Presidnecy who are the ones giving the directives to break the law and the US Constitution. That isthe problem that needs to be addressed!

Posted by: Courtenay Barnett at December 28, 2005 10:52 AM


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