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Vietnam Flak Vests: Soooo Light

In an earlier post today on the recent body armor debate, I used the oft-quoted figure of "25 pounds" for the Vietnam-era flak vests. A commenter on the post points out that Vietnam-era flak vests did not weigh anywhere close to that.

armortoday.jpgSome quick Googling reveals that the body armor used in Vietnam weighed in at 9 or 10 pounds. According to Olive-Drab:

  • The M-1952 Fragmentation Protective Body Armor, developed during the Korean War, was the most common body armor issued to US Army troops and weighed in at about 10 pounds.
  • The M-1955 USMC Armored Vest, used by the Corps in Vietnam, also weighed about 10 pounds.
  • The M-1969 Fragmentation Protective Body Armor, the Army's replacement for the M-1952, weighed about 8.5 pounds.

As you can see, none of these approach the 25 pound figure usually included in stories on body armor. Somehow this figure has become ingrained in the minds of many, and while researching this post I came across a 2003 Washington Post story on MSNBC.com that used it. The article, Body armor saves U.S. lives in Iraq, was about the great performance and the acute shortage of the Interceptor Body Vest and ceramic plate inserts during the first year of the campaign in Iraq.

To make the matter even more curious, it was made again today in a release by the American Forces Press Service, quoted here. The release quotes an Air Force Museum as the source of the figure.

Where did this number come from? Well, while looking around I noticed these figures:

  • Ranger Body Armor (RBA) weighs about 8 pounds. With the ceramic upgrade plate, it weighs about 16 pounds.
  • The Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops Vest (PASGT-V) weighs about 9 pounds, and when combined with the Interim Small Arms Protective Overvest (ISAPO), the weight is about 25 pounds.

Both of these systems were introduced in the 1990s. So it appears that it isn't the Vietnam-era armor but the 1990-era armor that the current "Interceptor" Outer Tactical Vest (OTV) and Small Arms Protective Insert (SAPI) (pictured above) are comparable to.

One last note about the Vietnam-era armor. It's nearly legendary how often the armor was left behind due to its weight. One has to wonder what, despite the greatly enhanced protection, those soldiers would have thought of the 25 pound armor of the 1990s and 2000s.

--cross-posted by Murdoc

Latest Comments

Ranger armor weighs 24 lbs with both plates. Te very first had one front plate so that's probably where the 16 lb's came from. There is lighter versions available now. the old heavy plates were better than interceoptor plates as far as taking a hit

Posted by: me at April 26, 2006 10:53 PM


What helps is that globalsecurity.org perpetuates the myth of 25 pds.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/interceptor.htm

What you see on globalsec is not what you get in real life. :)

Posted by: Charles at January 28, 2006 7:14 PM


The body armor presently worn by troops in Iraq, only contribute to the rising numbers of disabled and de-bilitated women and men via more survivors with amputations. As an 11B, I preferred to "run-dodge-n-jump" without the encombersome weight of body armor or flak-vest. When "shots-fired," we dropped all weight except for ammo and water and scrambled to locate, confront, and engage.
But I can see where, with all that weight the present day infantryman has to bear, he cannot "run-dodge-n-jump" as he has to lug the weight and endure the enfilading or plunging fire hoping to not to suffer an arm or a leg or a life-effecting disabling wound. I have seen some of the survivors, and as a mature, sane, and "disabled veteran," I would not want to bear the weight of such a chance at survival. I'd rather die and rest in peace.

Posted by: Magua at January 16, 2006 10:45 PM


Body armour has pluses and minuses. The body armour today is more effective than the VietNam era equipment I used in the 70's & 80's. The K-pot offers better head protection and a SAP plate was unheard of then. The problem as I see it, isn't as much about the effectiveness of body armour although it has room for vast improvement. It is about weight and bulk.

Yes the 9 pounds of armour along with the combat load was bulky, uncomfortable, and interfered with mobility; But not any more so than the armour I was issued in the Balkans in the 90's.

For those whose duties are to operate vehicles the Army's Tank and Automotive Command has done a terrible disservice. The vehicles are not designed to allow a driver wearing body armour to do his/her job.

I am 6'2" tall, while wearing the vest with the humvee seat at its rearmost position I could not exit the vehicle quickly let along position myself in the drivers seat to operate the vehicle controls in the most efficent manner. As for what troops in armoured vehicles need to contend with, I can bearly imagine. Flack vests took up room in the M113s also.

As for the previous comment about placing Misters Chenny, Rumsfeld and Rowe and others in Iraq for evolution of body armour to get a jump start. Maybe a nice idea but the wrong people. Get the miltary and civilian leaders who sign off on equipment into a position to have to use it and interface with it as the Soldier or Marine does and we'll see faster evolution of more effective armour.

Maybe the next generation of vehicle will accomodate the 6'6" Soldier who is driving the hummer while wearing body armour.

As for arguments over the Soldiers load and mobility. It may never end.

Posted by: Quinn at January 16, 2006 6:02 PM


I have the perfect solution to the body armor thing: Have the Vice President and that jerk-off, Karl Rove, move their office to Baghdad for the duration of the war. You will see a Manhattan Project to develop body armor. Better yet, have them both resign and drive trucks for Halliburton.
PS Recall 'Stormin' Norman having a leader with brass balls might be the best idea of all

Posted by: RL. Stroud at January 16, 2006 3:46 PM


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