Katrina Smoking Gun (or Not)

Remember when the President said he didn’t think “anybody anticipated the breach of the levees“? Never mind.

bush_katrina_briefing.jpg“In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans’ Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage” obtained by the AP.

Bush didn’t ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: “We are fully prepared.”

The footage – along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press – show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the unprecedented disaster.

Watch the tape, if you can. It’s absolutely gut-wrenching.

UPDATE 10:45 PM: Some of you are already asking, “What does Katrina have to do with defense?” It’s pretty self-evident to me. But click here for an explanation.

UPDATE 03/04/06 5:09 PM: The AP issued this clarification to the story yesterday:

In a Wednesday story, The Associated Press reported that federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his Homeland Security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees in New Orleans, citing confidential video footage of an Aug. 28 briefing.

The Army Corps of Engineers considers a breach a hole developing in a levee rather than an overrun. The story should have made clear that Bush was warned about floodwaters overrunning the levees, rather than the levees breaking.

The day before Katrina, Bush was told there were grave concerns the levees could be overrun.

It wasn’t until the next morning, as the storm made landfall, that Michael Brown, then head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said Bush had asked about reports of breaches. Bush did not participate in that briefing.

To me, the “top” versus “breach” argument is largely semantic; what matters here is that the folks at the top were told in advance how bad Katrina was looking. But, check out the comments, and you’ll read a lot of people telling you otherwise.

39 Responses to “Katrina Smoking Gun (or Not)”

  1. Sarge says:

    You’re doing a heckofa job Dubya!

    Hopefully this tape will convince the remaining 34% what the rest of us already know.

  2. max says:

    WOW.

    Did Dubya order them not to use the dozens of schoolbuses to evacuate?!?

    Did he order them to sit on their asses at the Dome?!?

    Did he tell the governor that she didn’t need his help?

    No-the screw-ups in this fall way down below the Commander in Chief’s pay grade.

    Sorry Sarge you’ve been fooled, I sort of wonder why this is here on DefenseTech.

  3. Mako says:

    Tired of the endless administration bashing on this site, all of which is politically motivated. “Katrina” is not defense related, fyi.

  4. Jeff Carr says:

    As much contempt as I have for our current administration, I do find myself repeating frequently that it isn’t the federal government’s responsibility to prepare for predictable disasters on that scale. It’s the city and state that are responsible. FEMA is there to provide support if needed, but the city should have a plan in place so that FEMA can just step into whatever role they have been asked to fill. Did FEMA do a good job? No. Did W screw up? Of course, he usually does. But they were not responsible for the fact that New Orleans was simply and completely unprepared. They just didn’t pick up the ball when it was fumbled.

  5. Sarge says:

    “Sorry Sarge you’ve been fooled … “

    Oh, who lied to me, the “liberal” media?

    “Did he order them to sit on their asses at the Dome?!?”

    No, the national guard did … and would you care to enlighten us as to who was “sitting on their asses at the dome”? Would dat be dem lazy & shiftless sorts?

    People without transportation were told to leave, and the could not.

    The old an infirm?

    After the hurricane, they tired to walk out, and they were prevented from doing so.

    People DIED.

    All George W. Bush had to do was pick up a phone and start helping people out. All he had to do was pay attention and, I dunno, LEAD!

    He couldn’t even manage to realize there was a disaster until DAYS after the hurricane had hit.

    He screwed up (again), and people died.

    Your pandering, obfuscation and appeasement of those who made this disaster into a complete and unmitigated disaster only shows you to be dangerously febrile.

    Now go and look for some weapons of mass destruction or ties to Al-Queda. The grown ups have a lot of work to do, cleaning up your mess (again).

  6. Byron Skinner says:

    Good Evening Folks,

    You don’t screw around when Max Mayfield says this is going to be a bad one. Max is the most trusted man in America.

    Max gave everybody a weeks notice about how dangerious Kartina could be, but Dubya was so enthralled and turned on by Cindy Sheehan he couldn’t focus on anything else.

    Remember his drive by?

    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

  7. BRAD says:

    How is any of this related to military technology?

    Lame.

  8. ritter says:

    um katrina is defense related as it shows the lack of preparedness on local, state and federal levels. we knew the hurricane was coming and everyone failed to do their job, bush, nagin, everybody. obviously nobody could have prevented katrina, but we could have probably done a lot more to prevent deaths, injuries, and the suffering in the aftermath.

  9. ricsam says:

    Can anyone tell me the difference between “breached” and “topped”? Bush said breached and the weather guy said topped. Do they mean the same? Also, I recall experts say that 20-60 thousand people would die if the city was flooded. But an unfortunate 1100 died. Maybe FEMA didnt do it job (are they first responders?), but some one did a good job if the experts can be believed.

  10. FirstCav says:

    What planet do you people live on? Of course it’s the federal government’s responsibility to provide assistance after a major natural disaster. Local and state governments don’t have anywhere near the resources to deal with events like Katrina on their own. What the %%#$! do you think FEMA stands for?

    Anyway, the point here isn’t who dropped the ball, or at what level, the point is that once again Bushlet stood in front of the American people, looked them in the eye and lied his a** off.

    Of course, videotape or not, he’s going to get away with it. Just like he did with 9/11. And Iraq. And and and…

    …I give up.

  11. sglover says:

    Yeah “mako”, yeah “brad”, those of us who live in target #1, AKA the nation’s capital, find it extremely reassuring that the New Orleans fiasco is completely unlike a terror attack.

    Idiots.

  12. Mako says:

    Take your meds sglover, I don’t want you blowing a blood vessel and checking out before you can send your $5 campaign contribution in to old Hillary for 08. ;)

    Lighten up Francis. And no, this has nothing to do with Homeland Security. At all.

  13. Tired says:

    I come here for defense issues, not this tripe. Correction, I once came here…

  14. Shiloh says:

    goodness sakes the president LIED. this is relevant because it tests how prepared we would be for a terrorist attack. Looks to me like we were a good deal more prepared than many many people (Incluidng me) previously thought. But they just went on turning away all offered help and so many people died. oh and by the way there are something like 5000-6000 people missing but the administration is still counting them as missing rather than dead.

  15. sglover says:

    Nothing, not even videotapes of the fraternity boy muffing it, can penetrate the muscular doublethink of Bush shills. Impressive.

  16. Scott says:

    This is old. Fact: It was the mayors responsibility to get the people out. Fact: If you live in a hole you better own a boat. Fact: You can’t make people save themselves, they were told to leave! The President called the Gov. and the Mayor and told them 2 days before to get the people out. Sure Fema was overwhelmed, the damage was over 600 miles, but you don’t see the other 3 states whining. Why was L.A. the highest state on welfare? Where did all the money go we have been spending there for years. Before slamming Fema, where did the money go for the levee maintenance? Also better look at what Fema uses as resources. The primary villians in this is local N.O. and The governor.

  17. John says:

    While I agree with many of the criticisms out there, it may seem like a little thing to you, but there is in fact a large difference between “topping” a levee and “breaching” a levee. Topping a levee indicates spill over. Breaching a levee indicates a failure and therefore a much larger volume of water penetrating the area. You seem to use the words interchangeably, and they are not the same.

  18. Phila says:

    **This is old. Fact: It was the mayors responsibility to get the people out.**

    Actually, when it comes to disasters of this scale, the federal government is responsible for ensuring state government has a plan, and is trained. You might want to check out Presidential Directive HSPD-5, signed by Bush in 2003, which says “The Federal Government will assist State and local authorities when their resources are overwhelmed, or when Federal interests are involved. The Secretary will coordinate with State and local governments to ensure adequate planning, equipment, training, and exercise activities. The Secretary will also provide assistance to State and local governments to develop all-hazards plans and capabilities, including those of greatest importance to the security of the United States, and will ensure that State, local, and Federal plans are compatible.”

    Given New Orleans importance as a port, among other things, it’s fair to say that Federal interests were involved.

    **Fact: If you live in a hole you better own a boat.**

    The lack of federal preparedness affected other things than citizens. Chemical plants and biolabs spring to mind.

    **Fact: You can’t make people save themselves, they were told to leave!**

    People who are elderly, poor, sick, or in wheelchairs have no way to leave. And the roads out of New Orleans were so congested as to be almost impassible. But I guess I don’t quite understand the “Culture of Life.”

    **Sure Fema was overwhelmed**

    Five years after September 11, FEMA was overwhelmed by a disaster that THEY SAW COMING. If you’re OK with that, fine.

    **Why was L.A. the highest state on welfare? Where did all the money go we have been spending there for years.**

    Welfare and levee strengthening are two different issues, and the funding comes from different places. You’re so busy blaming the victims that you can’t be bothered to understand that New Orleans was an American city, and that what happens to it affects the economy, the availability of goods, and so forth.

    **Before slamming Fema, where did the money go for the levee maintenance?**

    Bush slashed it in 2003 to pay for the war in Iraq and his tax cuts, before the work was finished.

    Frankly, people like you make me sick. Spitshining Bush’s tarnished image is more important to you than protecting American states. How this gets to be called “patriotism” is beyond me.

  19. max says:

    Guys- there is a complete different between “breaching” and “topping”.

    As for the preparation in N.O.-lets remember that the Clinton weas slashing budgets in this area too and that there were no significant cuts after 2000.

    Sarge…sigh….

    The poll you sight….34%….that’ll happen when you don’t poll many Republicans-which they didn’t-that came out a few days ago, but apparently you weren’t there.

    If you really want to re-hash WMDs and Al Quaeda, well we know EVERYONE thought he had WMDs and he did have thousands of pounds of weapons grade materials and the investigations after the war indicated that Saddam planned to re-start the program big time as soon as scrutiny was off of him.

    As for Al Quaeda, well we know Saddam supported terrorism, that people within Al Quaeda has at one time or another showed up in Iraq-but we know that Al Quaeda was religious fundamentalist and Saddam secular. The two of those working together would be like the Nazis and the Imperial Japanes working together or like Roosevelt and Stalin working together……. You see my point.

    “All George W. Bush had to do was pick up a phone and start helping people out. All he had to do was pay attention and, I dunno, LEAD!”

    He did pick up the phone and the governor there told him things were okay!

    That’s why Mississippi had fewer of these problems!

    “Your pandering, obfuscation and appeasement of those who made this disaster into a complete and unmitigated disaster only shows you to be dangerously febrile.”

    Only it wasn’t an unmitigated disaster in Mississippi. That’s where the State and local governments were competant.

    My temperature is fine thanks Sarge, you’re foolish, I wonder what service you were actually from. Don’t worry about messes, I continue to wonder what messes you’re cleaning up again with your crayons.

    People around here really make me sick. Louisiana had a total and complete failure of services after the being warned days before.

    Several other states had no problems of this nature and got hit just as hard! Somehow it’s Bush’s fault! Pointing this out isn’t patriotism, it’s logic.

  20. Joe says:

    “The AP video does not include footage of Chertoff asking Brown whether he needs any other help or of Chertoff asking whether Brown wants him to approach the Department of Defense. Transcripts show that to both questions, Brown indicated that no additional assistance was needed.

    In the transcript of a briefing the following day, Aug. 29, Brown is quoted as saying that Bush “is very engaged, and he’s asking a lot of really good questions I would expect him to ask.”

    Uh….. maybe we should have seen the whole video….maybe Defense Tech should’ve done it’s homework and pointed out that the transcripts show a different story than the highly edited video.

    Uh-maybe we should remember that Bush called Nagin and suggested a mass evacuation days before the hurricane….

    Guy-this above quote was on Instapundit-I’m glad Reynolds is into telling the whole story, becuase he’s a bit more professional than Defense Tech.

  21. Byron Skinner says:

    Good Morning Folks,

    I enjoy reading all the responses from the Bush apologists out there, I can only come to the conclusion that Katrina is still a very sore rub.

    The defensive comments that are presented in the poastings here are that Katrina and weather are not military events and thus should be of no interest to the folks who read this site, wrong.

    Since it was Marines from Camp Lejeune, Navy ships for Norfork and a Battalion from the 82ed. ABN Div. that finally squared things away in New Orleans, Katrina is very much a Military event.

    Responding to domestic emergencies be it Natural Desasters or Civil Disobediences is one of the missions of the U.S. Military. The recent activation of the Northern Command under this administartion show this White House understands that relationship.

    Weather of course is of prime Military consideration, that should go unquestioned.

    During Katrina President Bush was holed up in Crawford Texas fixated with Cindy Sheehan who seemed to have done her role in deverting his attention. The made event in San Diego during Katrina is just another example of the lack of focus of this administration.

    This week President Bush will finally get to say he was in Vietnam. I can’t wait to General Pace, the new Rumslefd lap general since General Meyers retired, greeting President Bush ay Andrews AFB with the rack of Vietnam Service Medals and maybe even a Bronze Star, for flying over Vietnam airspace, I guess he could get an Air Medal also.

    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

  22. Joe says:

    Hey Defense Tech-this tape was released by Bush months ago-during the actual hurricane. It’s abyssmally incompetant for you folks to post this now and use a completely edited version of the tape and no analysis of the transcript.

    Byron-this was released DURING the hurricane-with a transcript pointing out that he was asking questions about the situation. You are taking “fantasy pills” if you think he was holed up in Crawford obsessing over Cindy.

  23. rick says:

    No, Katrina has nothing to do with defense. Just another way for someone who hates Bush to foam at the mouth. After all the damage done to our defense by Clinton and liberal Democrats, we now have a website the pretends to support our defense etablishment, yet it is just a front for MoveOn.org.

  24. James says:

    If Katrina had nothing to do with defense, then why were there so many troops there? Search and rescue, disaster response, domestic breakdowns of law and order, these are all defense issues since the military and especially the National Guard are going to be called out for them.

    If you read the tabs on the left side of the screen you’ll see a catalog of everything the site covers. It is Mr Shactman’s site, after all, and it’s about whatever the hell he says it’s about.

    Katrina was a spectacular test of FEMA, the Homeland Security apparatus, and the DoD. What it revealed was considerable disarray at all levels. Up until now the Administration and its apologists have maintained that the scope of the disaster was unexpected and, in the hours immediately after the breaching of the levees, largely unknown outside of New Orleans. These excuses have steadily eroded: there were plenty of warnings about what was likely to happen in the event of a major hurricane, some going back years, and it is now known that FEMA was immediately aware of the crisis but was unable to respond effectively.

    In short, Katrina revealed that the US Government, and especially the military, is stretched painfully thin, with few reserves available. Blaming it all on the locals is foolish. Local law enforcement and the local governments were the victims of the same hurricane that destroyed the levees. The police stations and city offices had to be evacuated along with everything else. They simply weren’t in any condition to make intelligent decisions about what was going on. You’re acting like an emergency room doctor who petulantly wants to know why a gunshot victim didn’t stop his own bleeding.

    What is the logic of FEMA after all, if it is not to step in and support local governments that are collapsing under the strain of unprecedented disaster? And the loss of New Orleans was unprecedented, the worst event in the sad history of the Gulf cities. Sniping at the locals for not sending their forms in correctly is moral cowardice, but we’ve seen so much of that from this Administration that it hardly registers anymore.

  25. sglover says:

    Admirable try, James. But if somebody can’t see the security implications of the Katrina fiasco — they really ought to be self-evident — no arguments are gonna penetrate their noggins.

    Because what’s more important, defending Americans, or defending Dear Leader? I think the question answers itself, no?

  26. max says:

    “Sniping at the locals for not sending their forms in correctly is moral cowardice, but we’ve seen so much of that from this Administration that it hardly registers anymore.”

    This is so ironic that you say that. First-according to you guys Bush can’t do anything correct, second-”sending in forms” is not the same as ignoring the suggestion to evacuate.

    As for moral cowardice, I haven’t seen it-but you folks seem to have a Pravda-like ability to twist the facts.

    First of all-

    You’ve confused breaches of the levees with overtopping of the levees. Bush said it wasn’t anticipated that the levees would be breached; the famous video that everyone is watching doesn’t contradict that statement-It talks only about the possibility of levee overtopping.

    You’ve missed all of the discussions about the differences between levee overtopping-widely predicted before Katrina hit, including by CNN, and breaching of the …canal walls-Not even the levees!

    You’ve missed that this was the biggest and most succesful relief effort in US history!

    “In fact, the response to Hurricane Katrina was by far the largest–and fastest-rescue effort in U.S. history, with nearly 100,000 emergency personnel arriving on the scene within three days of the storm’s landfall. “

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html

    This is sad because of people like Sglover and James, that you guys would be pathetic enough to comment about other people’s noggings and not even admit that Louisiana leadership screwed up and for the most part people liked Bush SAVED THEIR ASSES!

    Amazingly, nothing went wrong in other states, but noone gives Bush any credit there.

    You people are disgusting.

  27. Paul says:

    Katrina was a test of our ability to respond to a major disaster/attack. Imagine if there was just a minor category one or two hurricane to swell the rivers and terrorists set off bombs breaching the levies. The result would have been much the same.

  28. sglover says:

    You’ve confused breaches of the levees with overtopping of the levees. Bush said it wasn’t anticipated that the levees would be breached; the famous video that everyone is watching doesn’t contradict that statement-It talks only about the possibility of levee overtopping.

    Riiiight. And of course to Bush, whose background in engineering and hydrology is well-known, this is a crucial distinction, not mere semantic masturbation. Gotcha.

    This is sad because of people like Sglover and James, that you guys would be pathetic enough to comment about other people’s noggings and not even admit that Louisiana leadership screwed up and for the most part people liked Bush SAVED THEIR ASSES!

    If you calm down, you might find grammar easier. Here’s a mental exercise that might help you collect yourself: Ponder what Bush’s Homeland Security Department spent four years doing. It obviously wasn’t disaster planning.

  29. sglover says:

    Aw hell, this site doesn’t read HTML tags. Please put quote marks around the first paragraph of my 6:47 post, which is a reply to max’s splutter.

  30. Buddy says:

    Regardless of administration or how well you like that administration, lets simplify the facts. Somebody that knows stuff told the pres.
    “It’s big, its bad, it has a big storm surge as well as a lot of moisture inside the hurricane itself.” If the pres. says anything like, ” well then, maybe we better do this, or do that”, shouldn’t everybody down the line do something?
    Instead, those that had the power on different levels down the line, sat there and watched it on CNN go from bad to worse and then after the hurricaine watched the levee’s breech,
    and then suddenly there’s way too many people in the superdome and then watched as they sat there waiting for the rescue which took the better part of a work week to happen. Duh people!!!
    I blame everyone that had anything to do with the decision making process all together!
    Get off your duffs and do your darn jobs!
    You certainly get paid enough to serve in your positions! Certainly any decision would be better than none!!! Are you qualified to do your jobs? Do you need somebody to tell you when to really, really go to work? You should all know when to go above and beyond the call of duty! It isn’t just for the military! Those people that pay your salaries, whether you do a good job or not, may really need you help one day!!!

  31. Joe says:

    “WASHINGTON (AP) — In the hectic, confused hours after Hurricane Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast, Louisiana’s governor hesitantly but mistakenly assured the Bush administration that New Orleans’ protective levees were intact, according to a new video obtained by The Associated Press showing briefings that day with federal officials.”

    Wow-amazingly it’s still Bush’s fault.

    He told everyone to evacuate.

    He offered help.

    The Governor of Louisiana misinformed him.

    But it’s still his fault.

    “Katrina was a test of our ability to respond to a major disaster/attack. Imagine if there was just a minor category one or two hurricane to swell the rivers and terrorists set off bombs breaching the levies. The result would have been much the same.”

    “Ponder what Bush’s Homeland Security Department spent four years doing. It obviously wasn’t disaster planning.”

    Apparently DHS and FEMA did great…. in Louisiana-where they worked with competent local authority. Further, we know this was the biggest and fastest relief effort in world history-at least according to Popular mechanics.

    I think you’re pretty much spluttering sglover. Stay off the drugs.

  32. katsesama says:

    its the typical drivel you’ll hear for some time
    to come from the secular revisionists and neo-
    socialist elites out there in la-la-land.No matter
    what Bush does,or knew or didn’t knowe and when,it
    will always be his fault that good ol’ mother nature took a merry dump on the cresent city!

    Hello! its a NATURAL DISASTER!not man-made! what
    happened afterwards was most definately a man-made
    disaster.And not just by one man and his administ-
    ration,but the local and state government of good
    ol’ louisiana(remember all those unused school
    buses sitting in six foot of water,could’ve been
    usefull had someone in louisiana local government
    thought to allocate them properly.)

    but therein lies the rub,nobody was thinking five
    days prior to katrinas landfall.didn’t think to
    get much needed transport to areas that needed it
    most.of course,that would require some
    proactive effort on the part of local officials
    whom it seems were too busy wringing their hands
    and hoping the federal governments gonna save
    them.

    the instant you start placing your own welfare into someone,or some agencys hands,youv’e lost
    the initiative,and believe me,mother nature
    doesn’t care one wit wether your black,white,red,
    yellow,or pink with purple pocadots.if you don’t
    possess the common sense to heed the warnings of
    the president to get the hell out of the way of
    a category 5 bareing down on you,do you think ma
    natures gonna take that into concideration and
    veer the storm away from you?

    Common sense should have played a role here,put in
    this age of pass the buck,excuse making obfuscation,nothing positive is likely to happen.

    So,George Bush hates blacks so much that he conjured up a category 5 hurricane to wipe them
    all out as part of his master plan to racially
    cleanse america? yeah right.I have heard these
    emotionally retarded rantings coming from all
    walks now for six+months now and i cannot,will
    not subscribe to these juvinile interepretations
    as to this tragedy.I just got done hearing how
    some lunatic geography teacher in colorado was
    caught on audio tape,ranting in a high school
    there to a class of teens how George Bush is the
    modern day equivelant of adolph hitler!!!

    What kind of garbage is this? If the man was such
    a totalitarian zealot,then where are all the
    cattle cars waiting to wisk us all away to some
    concentration camp,i don’t see anybody getting
    lined up in a row in front of a freshly dug pit
    as a member of the administration walks up behind
    and proceeds to put a pistol bullet into the backs
    of the victems heads? check the insides of you’r
    arms,is there a row of numbers tattooed there by
    the republican party? NONSENSE!

    Its thinking like that,that excaserbated the
    problem of katrina in the first place.If the left,
    the people of new orleans and their local/state
    leaders had taken all that energy hating Bush,and
    applied it to proper,prior disaster preperation
    and forethought,well,then mabye you wouldn’t have
    had the anarchy at the superdome or the need to
    loot downtown new orlean stores for such life
    saving supplies as big screen,plasma tv’s and
    stereo boomboxes?

    Is George Bush guiltless in all this,no.but he
    certainly isn’t the devil incarnate.Their is more
    then enogth blame to go around.As i recall,it
    was everyones buddy,and all around good guy Bill
    Clinton who cut funds earmarked for levee improve-
    ment and disaster relief/aid back in the ninties,
    of course everybody’s strangely silent about that
    particular legislative fauxpas.

    Of course when a dem is sitting in the oval office
    everything is perfect and bueatiful,even when
    disaster strikes.But if the guy happens to have
    an R at the end of his name at the ballot box,hes
    pure evil,and a pall suddenly descends upon the
    land.Katrina would have done the same amount of
    damage irregardless who was in the white house,if
    John Kerry had been in power,those flood waters
    would not have swelled up less.

    Word of advise,one,if you live in an area,you know
    you’r twenty feet below sea level,and its been
    forecast that a major hurricane could,concievably
    flood you’r city,perhaps it might be prudent to
    have an escape plan and sufficient supplies set
    aside for the eventuality.Two,don’t leave you’r
    welfare in the hands of you,r local government,
    easpecially when said government is more concerend
    with how to spend funds on a marti gras celebra-
    tion intead of pre-allocation of mass transport
    in the more impoverished areas in case of disaster
    and Three,always remember,you have only yourself
    to depend on,self reliance meens the differance
    between survival,and ending up a bloated corpes
    floating down the street flooded the in murky water of neo socialist,liberal dependancy.

    Thus endeth the lesson.

  33. mr.x says:

    Topped = temporary problem where the storm surge is higher than the levee, so water pours over the top. Problem goes away when storm moves on. Everyone was aware of, and worried about, the levees being topped. Once the storm largely missed New Orleans, it was believed that the topping problem had passed as well.

    Breach = permanent problem where the levees break open and let water flood in. Parts of New Orleans are always below water, so a broken levee is a catastrophic problem. These were relatively new levees, and should not have failed. Levee maintenance is a local responsibility.

    The news reports are intentionally confusing the two terms.

    There is a larger issue here, of whether certain local governments are competent enough to handle problems like this. Mississippi was, even though it took the brunt of the hurricane. Louisiana & New Orleans, through incompetence and corruption (where did the levee maintenance money go?) were not. But could you imagine the political firestorm that would have resulted if the Bush administration basically took over Louisiana (ruled by the Democrats) and New Orleans (ruled by African Americans), and the hurricane missed entirely?

  34. Dan Sherman says:

    Your lack of correction regarding your accusations about Bush knowing about “breeching” possibilities as opposed to what he was actually briefed on which was possible “topping” shows your partisanship.

    I don’t mind thoughtful and honest discussions, but please belly up to the table when you’ve misspoken.

    Cheers!
    Dan

  35. John says:

    Give it up guys. Noah is one Kos short of joining the Michael Moore tinfoil hat brigade. Anyone so drenched in partisanship that he’s still taking swipes at the “Mission Accomplished” speech after Baghdad fell, will never admit that everything under the sun, including this unpredictable thing called “the weather”, is not the fault of George Bush or some Halliburton inspired oil conspiracy.

  36. Dan:

    I wouldn’t read into things too much. My “lack of correction” shows that I was busy on other projects — deadlines for Fast Company, the NYT, and Pop Sci. It doesn’t have a thing to do with “partisanship.” The AP’s clarification is up now.

    I do my best to update stories as new information comes around, and admit mistakes as I make ‘em. Here are two quick examples:

    * http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001525.html
    * http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001604.html

    There are many — and will be many — more, I’m sure. In the future, the quickest way to be a correction or clarification is to e-mail me, defense-AT-defensetech-DOT-org.

    nms

    ps What’s with the spaceship?

  37. bubba says:

    actually there is more similarities between a topping and a breach than you are letting on… to be fair.

    it is totally conceivable that a major topping would flood the pumping stations as the breach did. making the pumps inoperable. turning a temporary flooding into a more permenant affair. the government would still be needed to respond and help with getting things going. of course as we well remember the MEXCIAN federal government did almost as good of a job getting military “assets” into New Orleans as the US military.

    so i am not sure if this is as big an oversight as you make it out to be.

  38. Gary says:

    1. This need not be a Left-Right cage-debate. Bush seems to be backing Hillary, and Willy golfs with Poppy.

    2. Problem-Reaction-Solution. Create a crisis (or turn a problem into a bigger crisis). Let the crisis moulder and grow until people scream.

    3. Offer a solution: More funding, more power.

    Not only was FEMA actively blocking doctors, water, and other aid, private military contractors like Blackwater thugs (www.stangoff.com ret Special Forces) with exclusive contracts acted as private mercs shooting civilians.

    Instead of massive federal help — including people to drive the busses — NOLA got to experience a military police state drill — turning one American city into Fallujah.

    The same thing was done in Seattle, as Clinton was preparing to turn the US over to Global Govt via NAFTA — hired “black bloc” thugs who were given free housing and free reign to loot, caused the suspension of normal First Amendment activities by normal citizens, and detention of said mainstream middle class civilians into Sandpoint Naval Brig. A training exercise for the public.

    This was why REAL Conservatives hated Clinton — a dictatorship in the making. But when Bush does the same type of thing, it’s glorious.

    I’ve heard and seen that Bush also uses Secret Service and local police to arrest middle aged, middle class dissidents. With this kind of “freedom” who needs to worry about communism?

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