The stand-off with Iran over its nuclear ambitions was just beginning while I was embedded with Marine All-Weather Fighter Attack Squadron 332 at Al Asad air base in Iraq. More than once the fliers lamented that they’d probably be back in the States by the time the “inevitable” bombing of Iran got underway. One conversation went something like this:
Me: Oh God. We can’t afford a war with Iran
Aviator #1: Whatever. We’d kick their asses.
Aviator #2: No, they’ve got F-14s!
Aviator #3: Yeah, my wife [deployed to northern Iraq] saw one!
Aviator #1: We’d still kick their asses.
Me: Oh God.
If, God help us, the stand-off does turn violent, U.S. air power will play a critical role. For months pundits have predicted a massive bombing campaign to target Iran’s nuclear facilities, and perhaps even to attempt regime change.
But don’t expect Iran’s air force to roll over like Iraq’s did in 1991 and again in 2003. Unlike the Iraqi air force, the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) appears to be well-armed, well-trained and eager for a fight. Besides the aforementioned F-14 Tomcats, 79 of which the U.S. sold to the country before the Shah was deposed, the air force operates several dozen of each of the following types:
J-7 (Chinese-built MiG-21 derivative)
MiG-29
Su-24
F-5E
F-4E Phantom
Mirage F1
All told, the IRIAF flies as many as 300 fighters. All are older designs, but have been maintained and, in many cases, upgraded by the indigenous aerospace industry, which has become proficient in reverse-engineering weapons and spare parts — and perhaps even engines. And the IRIAF has aerial tankers too — a force multiplier only the most advanced air forces maintain.
Veteran aviation correspondent Tom Cooper and his co-writer Liam Devlin wrote a fascinating feature for a recent issue of Combat Aircraft Magazine, profiling the IRIAF. The authors interviewed IRIAF defectors and U.S. Navy aircrew that have tangled with Iranian fliers over the Arabian Gulf. The feature cautions against the Western habit of underestimating the IRIAF:
In November 2003, a USAF E-3 Sentry flying a patrol over Iraq tracked a formation of no less than 16 IRIAF F-14As … This was the largest group of Iranian F-14s detected in flight by the U.S. military since 1997, when nine IRIAF Tomcats were tracked over the southern Persian Gulf by the U.S. Navy. … During the summer of 2005, several Su-24s were observed operating over the Persian Gulf, armed with Chinese-made C802K-2 anti-ship missiles. … Iranian Phantoms were sighted as well, usually carrying AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-9 Sidewinder [air-to-air missiles].
Now that the 1st Fighter Wing has its first F-22 squadron combat-ready, and with the Navy’s Super Hornets equipped with electronically-scanned radars, we have the capability to beat the IRIAF. But it wouldn’t necessarily be an easy fight. Throw in Iran’s SA-15 surface-to-air missiles and you’ve got a tough air-defense nut to crack. And remember … an air campaign might be just a prelude to a ground invasion. Last year I stood on the Iraq-Iran border and listened to Iranian armored divisions throw down practice artillery barrages. The Tennessee National Guardsmen I was with (the 278th cavalry regiment equipped with M-1 Abrams tanks) admitted that they couldn’t punch through that border if they wanted to.
We must find a diplomatic solution to the problem of Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
P.S. — This discussion of Cooper’s article includes some interesting insights.
Jaye- Shalom?? I am of Dutch heritage but would certainly not be ashamed if I had some Jewish blood in my veins just I as I would not be shamed if I was of Arab, Persian, Buddhist or whatever the hell decsent. Are you mocking the Jews at this very difficult time for them as well as the rest of the world? Even the Arab League is expressing their regret for the unprovoked attacks on the Israelis. Your message seems to invoke many images of the Brown Shirts in 1930’s Germany. As well, our fast jet pilots and those of other nations described as wimps? What do you drive to work every morning? Does backing your car out of your driveway even begin to compare to lifting off a runway with a weapon and gas laden high performance fighter mean anything? These pilots are simply doing their jobs as they have been trained and instructed. They are certainly not at peril when compared to WWI fighter pilots… but wimps? Please!! They risk their necks during every flight. As you seem to be an aviation enthusiast, you must know this to be true. When it comes to these noble warriors of all nations, please leave politics and your personal resentments and insecurities out of it.
God bless those of all nations who carry the load politicans heap upon them, Jaye.
Kevin
Kevin; Salam, I think the Israelis have gone a bridge too far! Wake up and Look up the USS Liberty and the Sabra Massacre. Brave, strong, tough US and Israeli pilots kill many innocent women and children but when they are shot down they cry and beg like women and children. You can add to the coward list the IDF snipers who also love to kill innocent women and children! As proved by WW2 the Dutch are great warriors because those wooden shoes really hurt when you kick someone with them! Ouch!
hi friends
iran air force has new apility for engage to all enemy 2 su.30 resive to iran and this is 2 of 24 aircraft
and air defence complited by tour missile
iran very stranger as israel(iran and israel war is very funy)
and usa dident attack to iran because this is the hard target and big enemy
Correction:
The water way is called: Persian Gulf
It has always been called Persian Gulf
Hostility in the region does not change
Geographical names.
hey hello
iranian air force have mig-23&mig-27&mig-31
and Su-22&24&27&30&25
tu-22-h-6
ok
see you air
Hi there,
With regards to Iranian air power. They have been steadly increasing their capability interms of firepower and quantity of quality military assets. As mentioned earlier, they have receieved Su-30, a very powerful combat aircraft. The Su-30 may be going through the latest version that includes latest state of the art anti ship and submarine weapons and the much improved AA-12 Addar missiles and possibly a new missile as similar to the F-14 Pheonix. What’s more they also have the latest weapons that goes with some Russian aircrafts.
Pilot training is very well planned. They have revamp their training programs. Years has been spent on developing an effective top gun training program. I was informed that an Iranian pilot gets 180 hours a year.
On top of this, it is rumoured that China might be supplying around 90 FC-1 combat aircraft and 60 F-10 combat aircraft.
Hello,
The Iranians have upgraded the following aircraft in terms of weapons systems and avionics with the help of Russia and China; MiG-23 (New weapons systems to include AA-12 missiles, smart bombs and effective RWR and flight refuelling. It also has datalink and much improved radar system); MiG-23/27; The Flogger attack version has seen improvements in avionics area and the ability to use smart munitions. Some of the smart munitions was developed in conjunction with Russian weapons manufacturers. They are also equipped with inflight refuelling system. Su-24 Fencer has been improved. F-7 fighters have also had their weapons and avionics improved. Iran is considering buying additional F-7MG aircraft to equip another 3-4 squadrons. Nearly all US jets such as the F-14, F-4 and F-5E aircraft have been mastered in areas of maintenance especially when support in the fabrication of parts comes from China and weapons system fabrication comes with the help of Russia in exchange for inspecting US equippment for research.
I wouldn’t say Iran has 300 aircraft. Most probably, they have between 530-570 operational aircraft and around 110-140 aircraft reserved (especially J-7, F-14, F-4E, F-5E, J-6, Mirage F-1).
FYI, Iran has the latest Russian and Chinese SAM systems. All integrated with communications using fibre optics cable as compared to aerial. Iran has also been granted to use Russia’s spy satelites as art of their defence treaty with Russian and some CIS nations. PS. I don’t think US will attack Iran due to its treaty with Russia in the area of defence protection. (I hope no one missed this out..for all you out there who didn’t even know there was a serious defence treaty between Iran, Russia and some CIS states. Check it out on the web. I guess many governments know this including the US but not the people!)
Too many people over estimate the numbers of aircraft the IRIAF inventories. Although the number of competant combat aircraft is high, they’re mostly of non US origin. Even though the former Bell complex (which I think is at Mehrabad International Airport) is quite capable of producing modern components for F-4s and F-5s, the number of F-14s has been seriously reduced from 79+2 in spares to something like 35-38. There’s been talk of Iran producing new build tomcats and phantoms but this is all conjecture and there is nothing to support this theory at all. Also, there has been talk of the IRIAF acquiring advanced Su-30, 35 models but these are only in the tentative stages. It probably won’t happen anytime soon as the US is increasingly edgy about countries buying the Su-30 and will put considerable pressure on the Russian defence industry to prevent any sales (look at the US acquisition of moldovan Mig-29s)
I can’t wait for Iran’s Air Force to be destroyed by the US Air force.
hello guys. Im an iranian engneer ( in air force) . i want say to you that iran bought several new planes , like MIG-31b ( 30) su-30 mk ( ? ) , su-25( 24) and upgrade his ex-iraqi MIG-23 and MIG-27 ( both : 24) therefor see that increase his air force capability . althought we do reverse engeenering on the ” phonix ” aam .its righ that we cant do many thing about the usa air force bout in the region only israeil have experiance as well as us . thanks saman. u can sent your idea to this mail: oburi_62@yahoo.com
hello guys. Im an iranian engneer ( in air force) . i want say to you that iran bought several new planes , like MIG-31b ( 30) su-30 mk ( ? ) , su-25( 24) and upgrade his ex-iraqi MIG-23 and MIG-27 ( both : 24) therefor see that increase his air force capability . althought we do reverse engeenering on the ” phonix ” aam .its righ that we cant do many thing about the usa air force bout in the region only israeil have experiance as well as us . thanks saman. u can sent your idea to this mail: oburi_62@yahoo.com
hey
I really want to c how us destroy iran military power.that would be amazing.
(from iran)
Dear Sirs:
donot forget that there are a lot of differences between Iranians and Arabs.Most of you donot know that Iranians,Persians,will fight with tooth and nails vice versa of Arabs who are very coward and have a lot of fears.IRAF personnels have a lot of spiritual trainining in which they learn to defend of their countries like a sacred thing.
First off, I don’ think that the military would be spending over $361 million for a plane unless it was the most unbeatable platform ever designed. Over the course of about two-three weeks, 20-25 Raptors could virtually wipe every plane off Irans inventory, and yes even the F-14 wouldnt be able to survive….(and I love the F-14 so dont get me wrong, but it does have some shortcomings) One a side note for the F-14’s…remember that these are A models and there airframes are around 30+ years old, hence why they are being retired now by the US navy. I read somewhere that Iran could only remanufacture about 60% of the components for their fleet anyway, so maitenance shortfalls will further reduce their fleet effectiveness. The number of aircraft that are actually flyable has always been greatly exaggerated. As for their tanker fleet, those wouldnt last a single day, and would be easy air to air targets for about ANY U.S. aircraft. Although the US would prevail easy in an air war with minimanl losses, the main threat would be from surface to air missles, which will be a tougher defense to beat. Once total air dominance is achieved, then ground targets can be hit at will. Now after all this talk about an air war, the real consequences would come from a much larger terrorist threat throughout the world, especailly the radical muslim world as a reaction to US/NATO/ALLIED military action. The best possible action before any military solution is diplomacy or severe UN sanctions (that would actually work).
When Iran deploys numberous Russian ultra high-speed Moskit (Sunburn) cruise missiles and sinks most of the US naval fleet in the Indian ocean and in the gulf, including the sinking of American aircraft carriers by these unstoppable missiles. Then let me hear all of your stupid talk.
Interesting thread. Much useful information. The usual right wing assholes spouting hot air and bile, but that’s to be expected.
For the record, it *is* the Persian Gulf, that’s the historical name appearing on all maps for the 20th and 19th century.
The Iranian Air force is no match for the sheer numbers and technological superiority of the United States air forces. There’s no issue there. The only questions are, will they get in the air at all, and if they do, will they do any damage.
The question as to whether Iran can mount effective missile defenses or missile based ship attacks is an open one and may well be determinative. I’ve seen very little discussion of this issue.
The United States lacks the ground forces to take Iran on the ground. There is no real support for the notion that a military campaign against Iran could succeed in regime change or destroying a distributed/hardened nuclear program. Aerial campaigns had their best results in the Gulf War and Bosnia and Kosovo. In each case, aerial campaigns were ineffective at regime change, even regimes with much less support than the Iranians possess. In each case, aerial campaigns proved fairly ineffective at destroying military assets when these assets were stationary and shielded. Aerial campaigns proved very effective at forcing military assets into immobility, destroying them when they were moving, and very very effective at destroying civilian infrastructure. We’ve seen the same pattern occur in the recent Lebanese War. Based on this, I can only conclude that an aerial campaign will kill lots of civilians, destroy lots of infrastructure, but will not affect the fundamentals of the Iranian regime and probably will not significantly affect any hypothetical Iranian nuclear weapons program.
I guess then, the question is for all the rough tough warriors, is how many civilians are we prepared to murder.
And a few loose points…
Depleted Uranium is an extremely dangerous heavy element with extreme toxicological properties. Deployment in weapons on the battlefield causes it to be reduced to a fine aerosol powder, likely to remain in the environment and perfectly poised to enter the human system through respiration or ingestion. Once inside a body, it will become lodged in lungs, liver or kidneys, potentially concentrating in bladder, bones, pancreas, testes and neural system. As I’ve noted, it is a toxic heavy element, so there is a reasonable expectation that it would have similar toxic properties to substances like lead and mercury, whose toxicity is well documented. The radiation hazard remains controversial, depleted uranium being a low emitter of dangerous beta or gamma rays. On the other hand, it remains an emitter of alpha rays which are normally harmless as they are unable to penetrate the layer of dead skin cells which cover human beings, or penetrate a sheet of paper… on the other hand, these DU particles would be inside the body, discharging alpha rays into vulnerable and sensitive living cellular tissue like lungs or kidneys. Frankly, the matter is controversial, the discussions are theoretical, and I know of no clinical studies of the effects of DU in its aerosolized post-battlefield use form. Nevertheless, there is enough information to suggest that this is nasty stuff. Anyone who claims to be unconcerned is simply a fucking idiot of the highest order.
With respect to Fallujah, it is well documented that combat age males were refused exit from the city and were forced to return to await the imminent attack. It is not clear what the duration of this policy was, but it was clearly in place for a period of time immediately prior to the attack. The rationale was that since we could not distinguish civilians from guerillas in disguise, the only course was to assume all combat age males were potential guerillas. This almost certainly resulted in innocent noncombatants being forced back into the city and innocent people being slaughtered. Somewhere between 20,000 and 50,000 people, a majority of them noncombatants, remained in the city at the time of the American attack and suffered high casualties. C’est la Guerre, bad things happen in war.
The destruction of Fallujah was not genocide by any standard. It is acknowledged that the city was depopulated prior to attack, and that this depopulation was humane and undoubtedly reduced casualties. The city was largely destroyed with 3/4 of buildings either destroyed or seriously damaged and most of the infrastructure in ruins. Years later the population of Fallujah is somewhere between half and two thirds of what it was, many former inhabitants are now classified as refugees and still living in tents. Fallujah, post-conquest is run as an Orwellian police state city, with checkpoints, ID badges required, a number of security measures, but insurgent activity has rendered much of the city inhospitable and dangerous.
Was Fallujah genocide? Not by any standard. Were war crimes committed there? Certainly, and these include unlawful killing of noncombatants, forcing noncombatants to return to the battlefield, killing of medical and ambulance personnel, murdering wounded prisoners, and use of white phosphorous. On the other hand, it has to be acknowledged that the United States went to extraordinary lengths to minimize civilian casualties, protect the civilian population, remove that population from the guerillas.
The bottom line on Fallujah is that the United States could not continue to indefinitely tolerate a hostile Islamic Mini State in its midst. The alternatives were to go into Fallujah and root it out, or to go home. There was no middle ground, no basis for negotiation, and arguably no real options. This is war, and war is ugly and brutal.
On the other hand, in the long term, Fallujah must be seen as a defeat. Despite the dispersal of the population and the destruction of much of the city, the United States has been unable to prevent the return of insurgents to the city with the population, nor has it been able to effect any reasonable level of security despite extraordinary measures. The Islamic Mini-State is gone, an unquestionned short term success, but the effort to control the territory has failed as it has failed in most of the cities and towns of Anbar province. Fallujah brings us no closer to finding a solution.
And just for the record, the use of white phosphorous against human targets, rather than for illumination, is prohibited as a chemical weapon. That’s just the way it is, I don’t make these rules, and frankly they’re often arbitrary and irrational. But having said all that, the use of white phosphorous as weapons against human targets in Fallujah was a war crime.
Level of your first speech have shown the level
of your mind & culture .
We will see what should be done finally .
For the time being US troops are in deep trouble and I don’t see how they will be able to head to another war!
It is interesting to note that some want to “Kick Iranian’s ass” while their own “Bottoms” are being kicked in Iraq and Afghanistan. And also, The Persian Gulf can be a boiling area for American-Arab Allies.
pezeshk saken tehran
Im sure that the US can win a war with Iran if the US only has to face Iran alone……..there is a very serious chance that Russia(and China)will get involved. Russia man even deploy short-range tactical nuclear weapons against aggressor US forces not to mention Israel. I cant WAIT to see what those Moskit missles end up doing to US Naval forces and Zionist forces!!!! BAHAHAHAHA
First off Iran has the Kolchuga passive sensor – the Ukrainian Passive Early Warning Radar that detects Stealth fighters like the F-117, B-2 & F-22 without them even knowing hence the word Passive
Secondly some of you are right about the Iranian Air Force it is weak because for the past 30 Years we have been trying to build our own fighters and in 2004 a trainer version of a new Iranian Stealth fighter called Shafaq was built in 2010 the M-ATF will be out and by 2012 will have the F/B-44 & Morghe Ashura and in the next 10 years Iranian Air Force will go to another level
Its funny how you all forget about the Iranian Missile & UAV forces yes your F-22 will takeoff but once they do and we know where they came from they will have no where to land and they will eventually run out of Missiles and Fuel
Iranian Missiles have an Effective Range of 3000Km so there is no way an F-22 can take off 3000Km away and then go in to battle. We will shot down your tankers so that wont be an option
You claim that a U.S. Air Craft Carrier is the most secure Base in the world but Iranian UAV’s fly over them and take videos of F-18 taking off and landing without even being detected (You can see the actual Video on YouTube)
note that the same UAV could have been armed with bombs and three Iranian UAV’s could completely takeout all the fighters on the deck
Still Your Propaganda machine clams that Iranians will use small speed boats to do suicide attacks on U.S. ships
Please!
so what your saying is its easier for you to take out our Cruse Missiles and UAV’s then some boat moving at 50 knots
You do sound as dumb as you look
You have no Idea who your dealing with
why do you think John Abuizaid a U.S General called Iran’s Military the Strongest in the Middle East
so just test us
Hello there
I am a fan of fast planes and while I was surfing and searching for Su 30- Su 47 and … landed on this site.
Its nice to read peacful messages and I’m happy that not every one of you would like to go to a war just for fun.
I went to school in the US, UK, Germany and Austria I finished Highschool in Iran and then had to go to service for 2 years. I did this in the IRGC’s Research Center as Spokesman and Translator. during this period we were offerd to go to a theological center for Islamic studies studies (mullah School) I and some other friends accepted it just for the reason to spend some time outside- though I have to admit it became very interesting as we had a friendly and passionate teacher so I stood till the end.
It’s very interesting what and how the Mullahs think, what the Quran says and on what basics the Iranian Theocracy is build up. there are somany verses in the Qoran that say “…and those are Men of God thay believe in Christ and the Bibel…and thay belive in Moses and theTorat…” and one specific Verse that says: “…and they will ask you who is a true believer answer to them its any one who believes in God and one of his Books …and when you speek of Gods grace he has tears in his eyes …for not only you are Moslems but anyone who believes in God”. In Fact the word “Islam” means Devotnes and “Moslem” Devoted and as believers (in Arabic Momens) are devoted to God thay call themselves Moslems.
As a trusted spokesman (that means I knew how to tell the Truth so that not all Facts would be outed) and translator I had an access to many top informations and found myself often sitting arround a table With Russian or Chinese Generals. My Infos may be Old (98/99) but thay are Facts: we had to translate all the Contracts from the Mother Language into English and then into our own as all the Contract-Signers understood Englisch and no one the Language of the other one. Practically all Contracts were signed as secret that ment: you would keep it secret for a given time (mostly 5 years) and then keep denying it to the Public. I translated some very Interesting Contracts one was the joint production of Anti-Explosion Blankets to be used against a granate or failed Bombs or to cover the tribunes as bulletproov ( have you ever seen the Iranian Leaders at a Tribune there is always some white sheet with slogans on it, these cover that Blanket) one other was building up Sheep Farms to gather with Australia (the IRGC has the bigest Sheep and Goat Farm of the World they earn allot by selling and exporting these) the co-production of missiles with North Korea was another one. One of the most important was buying some 250 Su-30s, 20 IL76s, 50 MiG 29s and Air defense Artilery and misiles and so on to be deliverd by 2007 aproximatly. We had even military contracts with UK, Canada, US, France, Italy and even Israel and New-Zealand they would sell us weaponry that the other Nations wouldnt deliver sell for example New-Zealand sold us some German Armourd Personel Cariers and Israel spare parts for our planes purchased from US.
Once my General called me and sayed there is this guy who wants to buy some chinees Articles, a personal friend of mine, his translator is sick could you take over. I told him that didnt understand any chinese he said you are supposed to speek english. I went to the Chinese Embassy in Theran we sat at the pool in which some beautiful chinise girls were swimming, and I tried to concentrate on what I had to do. I ended up translating and buying Forks and Spoons and Knifes but the intresting thing was we didnt buy them in sets we bought them in Conex’s and not the same number from each for Example we bought 5 conex’s Forks of a designe and then 10 Conex’s Knife of that same designe and 2 conex’s of Spoons with a totaly different designe. The next day I asked my General what those Forks and Knifs were standing for and he sayd without looking at me, that what you imagine.
It was a crazy time. I was crazy and nosey too, I used to open many Top-Secret Mails of my Generals and towards the end of my service I was arrested for that by the Military Intelligence but as I have a well trained Toungue, I could convince them that I’m not dangerous and became a friend of all the Investigators infact I gave one of them advise on how to raise his child they managed to threaten and scare me, and then put me in Info Quarantane for the last two Months.
You know what the Mistake of the most of you guys is? You think materialistic. we have this they have that and…Our F117, their Su 30, and so on. War’s are fought with weapons but not only that, you need some Brain too. The war in Iraq is Brainless in Afghanistan the same.
Look the difference between an American Soldier and an Iranian is that the American has alot of weapons but the Iranians got heart an American Soldier would never jump on a mine and blow himself up in 100 pieces or jump under a tank carrying an explosive Vest blowing himself and the Tank. The Iranian Soldiers Belive in Death and they look ahead to being matyrd.
America may not have too many problems to bomb Iran but its not posible to fight Iran on the Ground. beside that attacking Iran would only line the Iranians up behinde their Government for they are Nationalists. even I would lieve Germany (I teach here at the University as the Assistant of a Professor) and go back to defend my Land.
Look at the Persian Gulf what do you see there what do you think of when you here that name (except of War) I supose Oil. More than 20% of the world Oil comes from that area that means all the Tankers have to pass the Strait of Hormuz the part of this strait that is deep enough for Tankers and Carriers is in the Persian Part of it. What does that say to you? Iran would need to put three Tankers northwards infront ofeach other and blow them up nothing would come and go out of the Gulf. That means No Oil = explosion of Oil prices = Crash of the world market = Crash of the Dollar = Crash of the Euro = Crash of the Stocks = another World depression.
Iran is not only a tough Enemy but it is a good Friend too. You of course remember 9/11 (who could forget it) while in the most Arab states the people went to the streets and celebrated waht had hapened burning the Flag of America, the iranians gatherd in the streets litting candles and went to the Mosque praying for the helpless, even Fox showed that. In 1998 the Taliban enterd iran and Killd a whole Town (Torbat-e Haydarieh) because the People there refused to play the Heroin traders for them upon that Iran Stroke some convoys of the taliban thay in return mrched in to the border Towns. Iran wrote an Official Letter to the UN asking to Warn the Taliban and gain support in case of a war, one Nation put its Veto on it (the USA) upon that the Taliban thought thay’d have support in Invading Iran. in Less then 48 hours Iran had its whole military in the East of the Nation had build up five Military Airports and began air strikes three times a day for three Months testing its new selfmade planes and weapons (The National Security Adviser of Clinton sayed Iran could Invade Afghanistan in less then a Week). in 2001 when America attacked Afghnistan iran cooperated. It not only permited America free passage through Iran (not only in the Air but too on the ground)and gave the USAF all Intel they had on strategic points in afghanistan but supported the US with coordinated Ground and Airstrikes. shortly after that when the Chief Diplomats of those Nations which wehre comited in Afghanistan met in Bon (Germany) and tried convince the different Parties of Afghanistan to unify and set a government with all the tribalchiefs in a position, the Persian Afghans (North and West Afghanistan would not sign the treaty unless “this and that” which in the eyes of the US where imposible. Iran then Managed to convince them to accept what the US wanted. after that meeting the Iranian Forign Minister who was at a UN meeting wrote a Note and Let some one hand it over to Collin Powell which read as much as this: we are willing to have friendly relations. Mr. Powell looked up at Mr. Kharrazi and the later nodded. (You can read all this in the News week of a year ago) Well I dont know what drove Mr. Bush when he a month later put Iran togather with North Korea and Iraq in the Axis of Evil. That blowd every thing and the hard liners in Tehran where convinced of America being their enemy no matter how you come. Ahmadinejad at that Time a Candidate for the Presidency was smart enough to blame America while Rafsanjani the Mullah gave American friendly tones: you see the Result. with Bush and Ahmadinejad its imposible to build up a friendship or at least neutral Positions. Lets hope and pray their Successors will be Better.
And Pleas dont be happy or eager to see a war down there that would mean World War III (the sleepers would all be wakend) and that would be extremly dirty. for all of us.
Pardon my bad English.
Reading the above comments by Iranians above made me laugh. It’s funny to me that Iranians believe their own propaganda. This will be their down fall. Iran will not be underestimated and Israel alone could destroy their entire air force with in 24 hours most of them before they even take off.
Their air force is outdated. The limited technology they possess would be destroyed by the second day once their air force is dispatched. Israeli pilots would shoot down their planes at will and Israeli missiles are far superior than Iran’s more accurate and more powerful.
Iran could not advance more than ten miles into Iraq and Tehran was bombed by Iraq at will. The SAM sites would be knocked out and Iran’s oil fields set ablaze within hours. Iran’s navy would be scuttled within the first 6 hours. Once the air force is destroyed (in 24 hours) Israel will target Iran’s military bases, armor columns and cities. Any attempt by Iran to enter Israel’s air space would be met with Air defense system beyond comprehension to them not to mention that one Israeli pilot in a dog fight would shoot down numerous Iranian fighter planes.
Iran has never proven itself in a war. It’s military experience is theoretical while Israel’s is war tested. Iran has no economy to speak of. It cannot even refine it’s own oil. Once Israel sets ablaze Iran’s oil fields and renders them permanently useless the Iranian economy (not the world’s) will collapse. The world’s dependence on oil will be find other sources and the momentary dip in the economy will lead to using other energy sources while Iran has no other income or industry worthwhile to speak of.
If Iran wanted to use non-conventional weapons, Israel has weapons that the US could only dream of. I won’t go into details but lets say that some well placed artillery and missile salvos would leave Iran’s major cities and military installations in ruins.
Israel’s commandos already operate freely in Iran. It is easy to infiltrate Iran. It’s borders are porous and undefended. Iran’s air defense system boasted above is pure propaganda. They only have effective coverage over the Persian Gulf but the rest of Iran is poorly covered.
The primitive stealth planes Iran possess are picked up on US and Israel detection systems but do you think we allow Iran to know this when it occurs? No of course not but its so obvious.
I have not even went into heavy stuff Israel would hit Iran with for that is classified and I am not speaking of nuclear weapons. If Iran wants to continue as a nation they should change their regime, stop supporting terrorism, cease their nuclear ambitions, and join the free world of nations. Iran’s path as a rogue terror state will only bring Iran to it’s destruction. Once Iran’s oil producing capabilities are destroyed it’s strategic value will be non existent, the weapons programs will freeze up, their huge debt will balloon, their currency will be devalued and made even more worthless, no money, no trade, no bridges, no ports, no airports, and all in two weeks. If this was a combined US, NATO Israel strike than 3 days is predicted to nullify Iran’s armed forces, infrastructure to a manageable level.
Again, I am not underestimating Iran and I am sure if Iran fought Yemen, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia it would win. I am sure Iran will harm Israel with it’s missiles before Israel could devastate Iran but once Iran crosses the line it will be so horrendous for Iran I pray to G-d that it won’t occur for Iranians sake for I have Iranian friends there. I realize that most Iranians are opposed to their regime and live in fear of it.
This is why I advocate a more limited surprise attack directed at Iran’s leaders first which would cause Chaos in a dictatorship like Iran which would degrade their strategic plans for Iran is completely top heavy when it comes to the ability for subordinate officers to operate without command.
The suicide mentality of Iranians won’t phase Israelis and it proved useless against Iraq. It is Iran’s suicide mentality that is guiding it towards war with Israel and the US. If Iran wants to commit collective suicide that is fine but we will not allow Iran to take us with them. Mark my words whom ever might read this. The propaganda you have your heads filled with are not based on reality. Iran is a paper tiger and has not proved EVER otherwise.
Reading the above comments by Iranians above made me laugh. It’s funny to me that Iranians believe their own propaganda. This will be their down fall. Iran will not be underestimated and Israel alone could destroy their entire air force with in 24 hours most of them before they even take off.
Their air force is outdated. The limited technology they possess would be destroyed by the second day once their air force is dispatched. Israeli pilots would shoot down their planes at will and Israeli missiles are far superior than Iran’s more accurate and more powerful.
Iran could not advance more than ten miles into Iraq and Tehran was bombed by Iraq at will. The SAM sites would be knocked out and Iran’s oil fields set ablaze within hours. Iran’s navy would be scuttled within the first 6 hours. Once the air force is destroyed (in 24 hours) Israel will target Iran’s military bases, armor columns and cities. Any attempt by Iran to enter Israel’s air space would be met with Air defense system beyond comprehension to them not to mention that one Israeli pilot in a dog fight would shoot down numerous Iranian fighter planes.
Iran has never proven itself in a war. It’s military experience is theoretical while Israel’s is war tested. Iran has no economy to speak of. It cannot even refine it’s own oil. Once Israel sets ablaze Iran’s oil fields and renders them permanently useless the Iranian economy (not the world’s) will collapse. The world’s dependence on oil will be find other sources and the momentary dip in the economy will lead to using other energy sources while Iran has no other income or industry worthwhile to speak of.
If Iran wanted to use non-conventional weapons, Israel has weapons that the US could only dream of. I won’t go into details but lets say that some well placed artillery and missile salvos would leave Iran’s major cities and military installations in ruins.
Israel’s commandos already operate freely in Iran. It is easy to infiltrate Iran. It’s borders are porous and undefended. Iran’s air defense system boasted above is pure propaganda. They only have effective coverage over the Persian Gulf but the rest of Iran is poorly covered.
The primitive stealth planes Iran possess are picked up on US and Israel detection systems but do you think we allow Iran to know this when it occurs? No of course not but its so obvious.
I have not even went into heavy stuff Israel would hit Iran with for that is classified and I am not speaking of nuclear weapons. If Iran wants to continue as a nation they should change their regime, stop supporting terrorism, cease their nuclear ambitions, and join the free world of nations. Iran’s path as a rogue terror state will only bring Iran to it’s destruction. Once Iran’s oil producing capabilities are destroyed it’s strategic value will be non existent, the weapons programs will freeze up, their huge debt will balloon, their currency will be devalued and made even more worthless, no money, no trade, no bridges, no ports, no airports, and all in two weeks. If this was a combined US, NATO Israel strike than 3 days is predicted to nullify Iran’s armed forces, infrastructure to a manageable level.
Again, I am not underestimating Iran and I am sure if Iran fought Yemen, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia it would win. I am sure Iran will harm Israel with it’s missiles before Israel could devastate Iran but once Iran crosses the line it will be so horrendous for Iran I pray to G-d that it won’t occur for Iranians sake for I have Iranian friends there. I realize that most Iranians are opposed to their regime and live in fear of it.
This is why I advocate a more limited surprise attack directed at Iran’s leaders first which would cause Chaos in a dictatorship like Iran which would degrade their strategic plans for Iran is completely top heavy when it comes to the ability for subordinate officers to operate without command.
The suicide mentality of Iranians won’t phase Israelis and it proved useless against Iraq. It is Iran’s suicide mentality that is guiding it towards war with Israel and the US. If Iran wants to commit collective suicide that is fine but we will not allow Iran to take us with them. Mark my words whom ever might read this. The propaganda you have your heads filled with are not based on reality. Iran is a paper tiger and has not proved EVER otherwise.
“Iran has never proven itself in a war. It’s military experience is theoretical while Israel’s is war tested.”
Israel is war tested! Like bombing defenceless trapped civilians in Gaza! LOL
Also it is Israel that takes handouts from the USA.