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Robotic Frisbees of Death

It ain't easy, picking out evil-doers in the urban canyons of the Middle East; there are so many places to hide. Taking 'em out can be even harder, what with all those noncombatants hanging nearby. But the Air Force thinks it might have an answer to this most vexing problem in counter-insurgency: frisbees.

disc_uav.JPGNot just any frisbees, mind you. Robotic frisbees. Heavily armed robotic frisbees.

The Air Force recently tapped Triton Systems, out of Chelmsford, Mass, to develop such a "Modular Disc-Wing Urban Cruise Munition."

"The 3-D maneuverability of the Frisbee-UAV [unammned aerial vehicle] will provide revolutionary tactical access and lethality against hostiles hiding in upper story locations and/or defiladed behind obstacles," the company promises.

The circular drones will be lanuched "from munitions dispensers or by means of a simple mechanism similar to a shotgun target (skeet) launcher," Triton adds. Once in the air, they'll be tele-operated by soldiers on the ground. Or, if needed, the fightin' frisbees will pilot themselves as they hunt for guerrillas.

Once they catch up to the baddies, the drones will use a series of armor-piercing explosives, shooting jets of molten metal, to eliminate their targets. And these MEFP [Multiple Explosively Formed Penetrator] "warheads will be controllable so as to provide a single large fragment (bunker-buster) or tailorable pattern of smaller fragments (unprotected infantry or light utility vehicles)." The decision of whether to go bunker-buster or infantry-annihilator mode can either be determined by the drones' human operators, "or autonomous target classification routine built into the UAV."

Now, Triton's Frisbee-UAV concept isn't the first time roboticists have looked into disc-shaped drones. From 1992 to 1998, the Navy experimented with a set of unmanned, 250-pound, six-foot-diameter flying saucers. In 2002, Norweigan researchers showed off plans for a circular flying robot "inspired at least partly by the design of Star Trek's USS Enterprise," New Scientist noted.

Around the same time, at the University of Manchester, Jonathan Potts studied how best to control UAVs "based on the Frisbee TM sports disc shape."

"The Frisbee disc has proven its potential on the sports field as a platform for short free-flights," Potts wrote back in an '01 paper. Without "predefined flight orientation," a Frisbee drone "offers novel flight characteristics and manoeuvrability. It is potentially suitable for a variety of mission objectives fulfilling surveillance, communications, munitions and/or airborne radar warning systems."

These days, Potts is focusing less on Frisbee-shaped robots -- and more on Frisbee competitors. "In recent years Jonny has applied his scientific knowledge to develop a range of sports discs with improved aerodynamic performance," says the website of his new company, which makes a line of "super-durable" spinners for $16 apiece. Explosives and robotic controls are not included.

Latest Comments

If you really want a good hover capability this is a pretty good idea:

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.rss.html?pid=20389

Posted by: intheknow at September 28, 2006 11:12 PM


Most of this technology is doable with one exception that limits almost all of robotic research today as well as weapon systems - the power supply. From flying robots to flys on the wall to nano medical robots traveling through your body to fight diseases. Electronics are approaching the atomic level now, so smarts aren't the problem. With enough power a disk type device will be able to counter yaw and pitch of a small rocket taking off. Technology for making a disk fly and controlling direction have existed for a decades, there are toys that can do this now. Comminications technology and surveillance exist now that could be used in the field for a fleet of small aircraft such as these.

Check out ZigBee networks: Each unit is a node and if a node goes down the signal is rerouted to the endpoint by the other nodes. NASA is designing a fleet of spacecraft now that will fly in space and spread out in precise formation (kilometers in diameter) to form a giant imaging network powerful enough to image other worlds the size of Earth orbiting stars and be able to distinguish clouds, vegetation, mountains, oceans, etc. Like Scotty said, "I haven't got the power."

RFID tags are also an established technology. A lot of soldiers carry electronics of some sort now anyway so whether you use active or passive field identification, IDing the good guys isn't that hard. The radar in fighter jets and bombers is plenty powerful to pick up RFID pulse returns and so are their computers. Again, individual nodes in a giant network. There are entire computers in a PDA now, cell phones getting GPS, what else do you need but $$$ to make it happen.

Posted by: tomo at September 23, 2006 11:51 AM


But, you've got to admit, that Quarter K is a sweet disc!

Posted by: Clay Richards at September 15, 2006 9:26 PM


It won't work. Surely. It'll be like that ball-bearing machine gun wonder-turret; a crazy sci-fi idea that just might work, until they find out all the reasons why it won't (i won't bother justifying this as I, unlike many other posters am no expert, but somehow I don't think it's necessary)

Posted by: Neil at September 13, 2006 3:43 PM


Jeff Hill wrote,
"Sorry Guys, James Bond and the evil "Odd Job" started the "R&D" on this new weapon back in the 1960's. Hey maybe this 250 lb. flying disc can explain some of those UFO stories."

LOL, Jeff, it's funny that you brought up James Bond. When I saw the story, I immediately thought of an old Bond movie where one of the bad guys (a Korean, if memory serves) killed his opponents by tossing his razor-lined top hat at them.

Posted by: Gavin Snyder at September 12, 2006 12:42 AM


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