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Pace Takes Page from Kerry Playbook?

pace-Dubya.jpgBack in 2004, John Kerry got hammered relentlessly for likening the fight against terrorism to the fight against crime.

"We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance," Kerry said. "As a former law-enforcement person, I know we're never going to end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn't on the rise. It isn't threatening people's lives every day, and fundamentally, it's something that you continue to fight, but it's not threatening the fabric of your life."

Will the same folks that beat on Kerry now slam the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace?

Asked in [an] interview, on MSNBC, if the United States was winning in Iraq, the general replied: "You have to define winning. I don’t mean to be glib about that. Winning to me is simply having each of the nations that we’re trying to help have a secure environment inside of which their government and their people can function..."

"Example: Here in Washington, D.C., there’s crime, but there’s a police force," he said. "And the police force keeps the level of crime below the level at which the government can function. That’s really what winning in the war on terrorism is." (emphasis mine)

Don't get me wrong; I'm not a big fan of Massachusetts' dorky, superior-than-thou junior senator. But I did think he got a raw deal on that particular comment. And it's interesting to see how the thinking on Iraq is shifting.

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This is in response to Campbell:

Yeah, the Israeli strategy has really worked, hasn't it? How long will they continue to live in fear of the next bomber?

Posted by: rationaljim at November 15, 2006 12:15 PM


Kerry was right in the first place; until you're talking about taking a man out of a hostile country, what difference is there between running down an international criminal and a terrorist? Zip. Do the police have firefights with suspects? Yes, when a bust isn't optimal. Do terrorists get taken without firefights, sure they do, when the 'capture' is optimal? Are they ready to shoot him in both cases? Of course they are. 'Capture', 'bust'? Real big difference there. What you may do in prosecution may be different (it seems the Supreme Court disagrees that they are) but how you get them uses the same strategies and tactics. Kerry was right from the get-go.

Posted by: brantl at November 15, 2006 9:43 AM


Good Morning Folks,

Lets face it General Pace's job is on the line along with all of the Rumsfled appointed three and four stars in the Pentagon. Along with General Casey, General Pace can expect to be among the first to be fired when Robert Gates takes over as Sec. Of Defense.

Long know as "Rumsfeld's Parott" General Peter Pace has not stood out as a desenting voice to what has very widely become know as a failed policy in Iraq or even Afghanistan. His absence was noted Wednesday, when his boss "resigned", General Pace has disgraced the Marine Corp. by his performance as the first Marine Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, a stain on the Corps honor that will take generations to go away. To equate his thinking with Senator Jhn Kerry is not out of line.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Posted by: Byron Skinner at November 11, 2006 2:19 PM



Perhaps it would be useful to look at the British experience here. IRA terrorism continued for decades, including many bombings in London, assassinations of major political figures and more than one near-miss with attacks on the Prime Minister.

The was NEVER classed as a war and IRA members were never treated as POWs. At all times it was treated as an extension of the fight against crime. There was never any question of shooting out of hand, and the idea of airstrikes in West Belfast - or over the border in Eire - was unthinkable.

As a direct consequence, there was no escalation of the sort we have seen in the struggle against Islamic terrorism and which the head of MI5 commented on yesterday.

Posted by: David Hambling at November 11, 2006 5:09 AM


Oh yeah, and what "Phila" said; last two portions.

Posted by: campbell at November 10, 2006 8:00 PM


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