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Nazi Roots for Iraq Super-Bombs

The debate these days is all about whether or not Tehran is supplying Iraq's armor-piercing bombs. But the roots of these explosively formed projectiles, or EFPs, goes all the way back to Hitler-era Germany, the Yorkshire Ranter notes. Military historian Larry Grupp explains.

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Dr. Hubert Schardin was definitely not a Nazi. Nevertheless, he stood stiffly at attention in full Luftwaffe dress uniform at Gestapo headquarters in Budapest, Hungary. It was the spring of 1944 and Schardin, a brilliant German explosives physicist, needed assistance. Under direct orders from Adolf Hitler to develop new superweapons, he needed the Gestapo's help to locate a famous but reclusive Hungarian colonel named Misznay who could provide detailed information regarding the complex physics involved in shaped charge explosives.

Colonel Misznay was, by all historical indicators, so elusive that today we are even uncertain what his real first name was. In all probability, Misznay was either a double or perhaps even a triple agent. After World War II, he dropped out of sight in the Eastern Bloc. Yet his last name lives on as a result of a special explosive phenomenon he identified, called the Misznay-Schardin effect -- a phenomenon that recognizes that fragments can be thrown from the face of an explosive charge in a predictable pattern, much like a projectile from a rifle barrel.

It's that effect which forms the heart of the EFP's deadly power. These Pentagon documents. , obtained by ABC News, give the best public run-down I've seen so far on how lethal these bombs have been.

(Big ups: AT)

Latest Comments

I smell some arrogance (or stupidity) in the way US handles these kinds of emergent threats. I thought a commandment of war was to expect the unexpected? And it's a war for clying out loud.

Cheating, playing facades, doing proxy warfare and hitting anything vurnerable has allways been the way (that old chinese guy had a book on it). Why is everybody debating wheter or not Iran is suppllying weapons? Handle it! It wont be aliens or goblins that make them.

Posted by: Macaca at February 18, 2007 10:42 AM


So you take a Desert Eagle with the .50 caliber barrel and mag and load it with Raven ammo.

:)

Posted by: ACGandolf at February 14, 2007 10:21 AM


The shaped charges are just part of the story.

The mortar shells dated manufacture after the US invasion of Iraq.

The Iranian agents caught in Iraq (Quads force the Iranian Special Forces).

The missiles ammunition RPG's possible recent advanced SA-18's use and older versions MANPADS.

The .50 cal sniper rifles Iran bought that then somehow ended up in Iraq (we just busted a stash of over a hundred).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml

And if you read the report it says that the shaped charges were not some Bubba job but manufactured assembly line type with processed metals. If they were scrapping these things out in the basement their would be no two the same. Their would be regional differences in shape, materials, craftsmanship, would all vary widely. That is not what we are seeing that is difference.


Of course it sounds like the shaped charges don't have serial numbers on them so even if you can prove assembly line manufacture over Bubba's basement you cannot prove Iranian manufacture. That is why the Mortar, .50 cal Snipers, Ammo, Rifles, Manpads varying designation, Quads captures, shipments crossing border captures, all of this taken together some of it pointing directly at the Iranian's specifically is how A leads to Z. Their is no such thing as Irrefutable evidence but at some point you gotta take in the combined picture.

Posted by: C-Low at February 14, 2007 9:49 AM


B. Skinner - Didn't see the Military Channel show, but I had a phsyics professor who was know to dabble in IED concepts for the Army.

He demonstrated a miniature EFP for us once using 1.5" steel pipe and a copper disc molded on a golfball. It shot the slug 50+ feet and penetrated all the way though a cider block.

He's still free (last time I checked), so fortunately the DoJ shouldn't be busting down your door anytime soon.

Posted by: Robot.Economist at February 14, 2007 9:10 AM


Quick clarification...I didn't think this knowledge was so widely held...thats the reason for the "we're screwed" comment...

Posted by: Solomon at February 14, 2007 2:11 AM


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