Comments on: New Twist in Dragon Armor Tale http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:14:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: WOWZA! http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17696 WOWZA! Sun, 11 Feb 2007 02:28:59 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17696 <p>"My day job is acting product manager for Interceptor Body Armor..."</p> <p>Surprise!! Surprise!!</p> <p>He is the Product Manager for the Vest that would be replaced if Dragon Skin tested well...and he says Dragon Skin sucks...</p> <p>NONE of the guys making decisions for the soldiers in the field are IN THE FIELD!</p> <p>What the hell is wrong with our country? Have your competitor evaluate & report to see if they should be replaced.</p> <p>I wish me & my buddies could be the judge in our own trials...it has become the American way!</p> “My day job is acting product manager for Interceptor Body Armor…”

Surprise!! Surprise!!

He is the Product Manager for the Vest that would be replaced if Dragon Skin tested well…and he says Dragon Skin sucks…

NONE of the guys making decisions for the soldiers in the field are IN THE FIELD!

What the hell is wrong with our country? Have your competitor evaluate & report to see if they should be replaced.

I wish me & my buddies could be the judge in our own trials…it has become the American way!

]]> By: Evil MoFu http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17695 Evil MoFu Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:34:12 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17695 <p>I cannot belive that the intrests of moneymakeing corporations and their pawns are put before our soldiers safety. This is outrageous!!!</p> I cannot belive that the intrests of moneymakeing corporations and their pawns are put before our soldiers safety. This is outrageous!!!

]]> By: viktor http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17694 viktor Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:26:19 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17694 <p>I tried opening up http://www.pinnaclearmor.com but the sight is down, weird. I did find a really good explanation of whats going on at answers.com http://www.answers.com/topic/dragon-skin-body-armor</p> <p>Although its not used for troops, it appears to be fine for these guys:</p> <p>"Dragon Skin" is a kind of body armor made by Pinnacle Armor and worn by personnel expected to be in high-threat situations. Individual users include the U.S. Secret Service Presidential Protection detail, CIA, NSA, United States Department of Energy officials in Iraq, some journalists and contractors in Iraq, U.S. Air Force, some Special Ops forces, some police departments and SWAT teams, and nine U.S. Generals in the field (as of Jan 2006).</p> <p>Its ok for Generals, but not for the grunts. I guess this war on terror is expensive</p> I tried opening up http://www.pinnaclearmor.com but the sight is down, weird. I did find a really good explanation of whats going on at answers.com http://www.answers.com/topic/dragon-skin-body-armor

Although its not used for troops, it appears to be fine for these guys:

“Dragon Skin” is a kind of body armor made by Pinnacle Armor and worn by personnel expected to be in high-threat situations. Individual users include the U.S. Secret Service Presidential Protection detail, CIA, NSA, United States Department of Energy officials in Iraq, some journalists and contractors in Iraq, U.S. Air Force, some Special Ops forces, some police departments and SWAT teams, and nine U.S. Generals in the field (as of Jan 2006).

Its ok for Generals, but not for the grunts. I guess this war on terror is expensive

]]> By: viktor http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17693 viktor Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:09:26 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17693 <p>I suppose the angle thing would only be an issue if you were laying down and getting shot at from behind (friendly fire?) or if the shot was somehow coming from underneith you (thru a floor?) Does anyone know of a police service that has started testing it to see what theyve found out?</p> I suppose the angle thing would only be an issue if you were laying down and getting shot at from behind (friendly fire?) or if the shot was somehow coming from underneith you (thru a floor?) Does anyone know of a police service that has started testing it to see what theyve found out?

]]> By: buddy http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17692 buddy Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:41:59 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17692 <p>Is the Dragon Skin Body armour available for purchase<br /> </p> Is the Dragon Skin Body armour available for purchase

]]> By: Bailey http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17691 Bailey Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:52:42 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17691 <p>Yeah ... I do believe i'd quicker place my trust in a former U.S. Navy Seal like Mack Machowiczs (Who TOOK PART in a demonstration/test of Dragon Skin for himself) LONG before i'd put any stock in the words of an employee of a marketing competitor. Machowiczs himself rigged the Dragnoskin Armor directly on top of a fragmentation grenade and the vest recieved absolutely NO penetration! (This might address some concern from an earlier post about the angle of impact to the Dragonskin armor.) </p> Yeah … I do believe i’d quicker place my trust in a former U.S. Navy Seal like Mack Machowiczs (Who TOOK PART in a demonstration/test of Dragon Skin for himself) LONG before i’d put any stock in the words of an employee of a marketing competitor. Machowiczs himself rigged the Dragnoskin Armor directly on top of a fragmentation grenade and the vest recieved absolutely NO penetration! (This might address some concern from an earlier post about the angle of impact to the Dragonskin armor.)

]]> By: kevin http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17690 kevin Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:28:51 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17690 <p>im a memeber of the united states marine corps, and i have to say that the body armor we are currently issued cannot stand up to the job we need it to do. we have just recently been issued new sapi plates said to withstand 7.62mm armor peircing rounds. they are almost an inch thick, hindering mobility and movement. not to mention it is clearly marked "fragile - handle with care". how can i expect it to stop multiple rounds from an assault rifle when it will break just by being dropped? </p> im a memeber of the united states marine corps, and i have to say that the body armor we are currently issued cannot stand up to the job we need it to do. we have just recently been issued new sapi plates said to withstand 7.62mm armor peircing rounds. they are almost an inch thick, hindering mobility and movement. not to mention it is clearly marked “fragile – handle with care”. how can i expect it to stop multiple rounds from an assault rifle when it will break just by being dropped?

]]> By: viktor http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17689 viktor Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:30:26 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17689 <p>Im wondering how the armour handles an angle shot? If a person were laying down and shotat the right angle...how easily can a bullit slip between the plates like lifting up a fish scale and slide right by? I imagine a solid plate would easily reflect such a shot like a stone off water surface... but the scale design may fail. Given the fact that your more likely to be ducking or laying down while being shot at than standing in an upright position this could really be an issue</p> Im wondering how the armour handles an angle shot? If a person were laying down and shotat the right angle…how easily can a bullit slip between the plates like lifting up a fish scale and slide right by? I imagine a solid plate would easily reflect such a shot like a stone off water surface… but the scale design may fail. Given the fact that your more likely to be ducking or laying down while being shot at than standing in an upright position this could really be an issue

]]> By: Robert http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17688 Robert Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:58:59 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17688 <p>quote:"I do, however, highly recommend this system for use by insurgents," Master</p> <p>This was said tongue in cheek, he was implying that it's so unsafe that the insurgents would die with it on.</p> <p>That's off topic though, the US Armed Services have an obligation to our troops and the public to keep our men and women safe. If it's good then scrap what we're using and go with it!</p> quote:”I do, however, highly recommend this system for use by insurgents,” Master

This was said tongue in cheek, he was implying that it’s so unsafe that the insurgents would die with it on.

That’s off topic though, the US Armed Services have an obligation to our troops and the public to keep our men and women safe. If it’s good then scrap what we’re using and go with it!

]]> By: donp http://www.noahshachtman.com/blog/archives/2548.html/comment-page-1#comment-17687 donp Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:33:18 +0000 http://www.noahshachtman.com/wordpress/?p=2548#comment-17687 <p>IM CURRENTLY IN THE MILITARY. UNCLE SAM HAS NEVER DONE ANY TESTING FAIR. WHEN THE M-16 WAS INTRODUCED ARMY BRASS DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO DISCREDIT THE WEAPON. IT WAS THEN SOLD TO JUST ABOUT EVERYONE. WHEN THE FIRST SOLDIERS IN VIETNAM CAME ACROSS VIETNAMESE SOLDIERS USING THEM AND REALISED THAT THE WEAPON WAS FAR SUPERIOR TO THE STANDARD ISSUE M-14 THE TOP BRASS WAS PRESSURED INTO UPDATING AN OUTDATED WEAPON. THE SAME WOULD HAVE TO BE SAID ABOUT DRAGON SKIN. THE BRASS DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT SAFETY. THEY ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH PUTTING MORE TROOPS ON THE FRONT LINE OR HOW MUCH MONEY IT WOULD SAVE. I WAS IN IRAQ FROM 2003 TO 2004 AND THERE WERE STILL PERSONNEL OUT THERE WITHOUT ANY BULLET RESISTANT BODY ARMOR. AND I'M SURE THERE ARE STILL SOME TODAY. MORE AND MORE FUNDS ARE WASTED IN THE ARMED FORCES ON DESIGNING NEW UNIFORMS OR OUTLANDISH BANQUETS FOR SOME TOP BRASS VISIT OR DINNER. WE WERE ACTUALLY RUNNING OUT OF AMMO WHEN WE WERE THERE. SOLDIERS FROM ANOTHER UNIT GOT THEIR BODY ARMOR SENT TO THEM WITHOUT THE RIFLE PLATES.SO IF THIS DRAGON SKIN IS BETTER UNCLE SAM NEEDS TO DIG INTO HIS POCKETS AND OUTFIT EVERY LAST MILITARY MEMBER WITH A MUCH SUPERIOR BODY ARMOR AGAINST OUR ENEMIES</p> IM CURRENTLY IN THE MILITARY. UNCLE SAM HAS NEVER DONE ANY TESTING FAIR. WHEN THE M-16 WAS INTRODUCED ARMY BRASS DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO DISCREDIT THE WEAPON. IT WAS THEN SOLD TO JUST ABOUT EVERYONE. WHEN THE FIRST SOLDIERS IN VIETNAM CAME ACROSS VIETNAMESE SOLDIERS USING THEM AND REALISED THAT THE WEAPON WAS FAR SUPERIOR TO THE STANDARD ISSUE M-14 THE TOP BRASS WAS PRESSURED INTO UPDATING AN OUTDATED WEAPON. THE SAME WOULD HAVE TO BE SAID ABOUT DRAGON SKIN. THE BRASS DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT SAFETY. THEY ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH PUTTING MORE TROOPS ON THE FRONT LINE OR HOW MUCH MONEY IT WOULD SAVE. I WAS IN IRAQ FROM 2003 TO 2004 AND THERE WERE STILL PERSONNEL OUT THERE WITHOUT ANY BULLET RESISTANT BODY ARMOR. AND I’M SURE THERE ARE STILL SOME TODAY. MORE AND MORE FUNDS ARE WASTED IN THE ARMED FORCES ON DESIGNING NEW UNIFORMS OR OUTLANDISH BANQUETS FOR SOME TOP BRASS VISIT OR DINNER. WE WERE ACTUALLY RUNNING OUT OF AMMO WHEN WE WERE THERE. SOLDIERS FROM ANOTHER UNIT GOT THEIR BODY ARMOR SENT TO THEM WITHOUT THE RIFLE PLATES.SO IF THIS DRAGON SKIN IS BETTER UNCLE SAM NEEDS TO DIG INTO HIS POCKETS AND OUTFIT EVERY LAST MILITARY MEMBER WITH A MUCH SUPERIOR BODY ARMOR AGAINST OUR ENEMIES

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